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I'm sure they said the same about Flash.

by astrea 6y ago

MaxBarraclough 6y ago
I don't think anyone said that about Flash. Its closed nature was always known to be a significant drawback.
GrumpyNl 6y ago
They said the same about PhP
- extheat 6y ago
  Still using php to this day, nothing wrong with it. Maybe the most painful thing is package management.
  - aarmenaa 6y ago
    > Maybe the most painful thing is package management. Is Composer inadequate? Or maybe just not widely adopted by the community? I only used it for a short period of time several years ago.
rightbyte 6y ago
Flash and Java got stabbed in the back due to stricter security properties then JS. You can't do spying as easily with Java Applets etc. that the user need to approve to run manually.
- antonvs 6y ago
  Flash was a major malware injection vector, so its "stricter security properties" seem to have been misguided.
  - rightbyte 6y ago
    Ye they had their own set of problems. But I remember them as something that was "click to run".
    - MaxBarraclough 6y ago
      Flash would generally run without asking, it was only click-to-run if you has a browser plugin like Flashblock.
- wizzwizz4 6y ago
  Heh. Tell that to Flash Cookies. https://www.cookiepro.com/knowledge/what-is-a-flash-cookie/ https://www.cookiepro.com/knowledge/what-is-a-flash-cookie/ > Many end users are unaware that Flash cookies exist and have no idea that when they delete their browser’s HTTP cookies, Flash cookies could remain unaffected and be used to recreate deleted HTTP cookies. The recreation process, which is called respawning, is extremely controversial because it facilitates cross-browser tracking and poses privacy concerns when the use of Flash cookies is not disclosed in a website’s privacy policy.
  - rightbyte 6y ago
    I was a kid at the time but I remember I had to enable flash videos and games on a per website basis. Did flash or Java applets just run without the users explicit permission? Was the flash cookies added later on?
    - ttt0 6y ago
      Flash did, not sure about Java, because I never had the runtime installed. Maybe you used NoScript? edit: If I remember correctly, at first Flash wasn't blocked by browsers, but it was abused just like JavaScript is today and because of that NoScript came along. Then I think browsers started blocking Flash by default once JavaScript took over.

I'm sure they said the same about Flash.

by astrea 6y ago

I'm sure they said the same about Flash.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago

I don't think anyone said that about Flash. Its closed nature was always known to be a significant drawback.

GrumpyNl 6y ago

They said the same about PhP

extheat 6y ago
Still using php to this day, nothing wrong with it. Maybe the most painful thing is package management.
- aarmenaa 6y ago
  > Maybe the most painful thing is package management. Is Composer inadequate? Or maybe just not widely adopted by the community? I only used it for a short period of time several years ago.

rightbyte 6y ago

Flash and Java got stabbed in the back due to stricter security properties then JS. You can't do spying as easily with Java Applets etc. that the user need to approve to run manually.

antonvs 6y ago
Flash was a major malware injection vector, so its "stricter security properties" seem to have been misguided.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  Ye they had their own set of problems. But I remember them as something that was "click to run".
  - MaxBarraclough 6y ago
    Flash would generally run without asking, it was only click-to-run if you has a browser plugin like Flashblock.
wizzwizz4 6y ago
Heh. Tell that to Flash Cookies. https://www.cookiepro.com/knowledge/what-is-a-flash-cookie/ https://www.cookiepro.com/knowledge/what-is-a-flash-cookie/ > Many end users are unaware that Flash cookies exist and have no idea that when they delete their browser’s HTTP cookies, Flash cookies could remain unaffected and be used to recreate deleted HTTP cookies. The recreation process, which is called respawning, is extremely controversial because it facilitates cross-browser tracking and poses privacy concerns when the use of Flash cookies is not disclosed in a website’s privacy policy.
- rightbyte 6y ago
  I was a kid at the time but I remember I had to enable flash videos and games on a per website basis. Did flash or Java applets just run without the users explicit permission? Was the flash cookies added later on?
  - ttt0 6y ago
    Flash did, not sure about Java, because I never had the runtime installed. Maybe you used NoScript? edit: If I remember correctly, at first Flash wasn't blocked by browsers, but it was abused just like JavaScript is today and because of that NoScript came along. Then I think browsers started blocking Flash by default once JavaScript took over.