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I don’t think there’s an obsession with Apple so much as there is an obsession with the minimalism and an alignment of the design goals into an ecosystem that A

I don’t think there’s an obsession with Apple so much as there is an obsession with the minimalism and an alignment of the design goals into an ecosystem that Apple has demonstrated.

pratio 6y ago
You're not wrong about the alignment of design but it is definitely not minimalist design. I've been using and upgrading iPads for the last 6 years and with each release the menus and options are becoming more convoluted. But there is a certain consistency across all Apple devices which does make it easy. JingOS seems heavily inspired as in a massive lack of any original concept. Even the browser shown in the demo looks so much like safari. The notifications on the corner. The swipe up gestures etc. Even the design story of icons is heavily inspired.
- machello13 6y ago
  > with each release the menus and options are becoming more convoluted. But there is a certain consistency across all Apple devices which does make it easy. Honest question, how do you add more features + abilities to an OS without adding more menus in more places?
  - pratio 6y ago
    I am not saying that new features don't need menus but maybe they could be simplified? The copy, paste select system on iOS is poor IMO. The new tab/ new private tab has been done better on chrome. What I wished to say in the original comment was that if new ideas aren't given a chance we might never see something different, might be radically different and we might just like some things about it.
sangnoir 6y ago
There definitely is an obsession with Apple in a subset of the "design community" - I've seen lots of aping of aesthetics with no functional justification (such as web sites with brushed aluminum and linen textures which became popular after OS X releases that featured the same cues)
xellisx 6y ago
I find the minimalism to become frustrating, when it involves burying things that were so easily accessed before. In windows you used to be able to right click the desktop to get to display settings.
- ChrisRR 6y ago
  I agree. I don't use apple products but my partner does, but whenever I use one of his products he has to keep explaining these arcane rituals of triple clicking, pressing and holding on unexpected icons, navigating through menus with a limited number of buttons, etc. It's all well and good trying to hide the complexity, but not if you can't find the features unless you've already got someone who knows the product talking you through it.
- chris37879 6y ago
  What version of windows are you on? I just opened my pc to check and sure enough, display settings is still in my desktop menu. But I do get what you mean, that's one of the reasons my windows usage at this point is basically only for video games. And even that won't be true when I build a new rig with AMD CPU & GPU.
  - xellisx 6y ago
    You're correct. I thought they removed it. I know that Kubuntu doesn't have that, but Ubuntu does.

I don’t think there’s an obsession with Apple so much as there is an obsession with the minimalism and an alignment of the design goals into an ecosystem that Apple has demonstrated.

pratio 6y ago

You're not wrong about the alignment of design but it is definitely not minimalist design. I've been using and upgrading iPads for the last 6 years and with each release the menus and options are becoming more convoluted. But there is a certain consistency across all Apple devices which does make it easy. JingOS seems heavily inspired as in a massive lack of any original concept. Even the browser shown in the demo looks so much like safari. The notifications on the corner. The swipe up gestures etc. Even the design story of icons is heavily inspired.

machello13 6y ago
> with each release the menus and options are becoming more convoluted. But there is a certain consistency across all Apple devices which does make it easy. Honest question, how do you add more features + abilities to an OS without adding more menus in more places?
- pratio 6y ago
  I am not saying that new features don't need menus but maybe they could be simplified? The copy, paste select system on iOS is poor IMO. The new tab/ new private tab has been done better on chrome. What I wished to say in the original comment was that if new ideas aren't given a chance we might never see something different, might be radically different and we might just like some things about it.

sangnoir 6y ago

There definitely is an obsession with Apple in a subset of the "design community" - I've seen lots of aping of aesthetics with no functional justification (such as web sites with brushed aluminum and linen textures which became popular after OS X releases that featured the same cues)

xellisx 6y ago

I find the minimalism to become frustrating, when it involves burying things that were so easily accessed before. In windows you used to be able to right click the desktop to get to display settings.

ChrisRR 6y ago
I agree. I don't use apple products but my partner does, but whenever I use one of his products he has to keep explaining these arcane rituals of triple clicking, pressing and holding on unexpected icons, navigating through menus with a limited number of buttons, etc. It's all well and good trying to hide the complexity, but not if you can't find the features unless you've already got someone who knows the product talking you through it.
chris37879 6y ago
What version of windows are you on? I just opened my pc to check and sure enough, display settings is still in my desktop menu. But I do get what you mean, that's one of the reasons my windows usage at this point is basically only for video games. And even that won't be true when I build a new rig with AMD CPU & GPU.
- xellisx 6y ago
  You're correct. I thought they removed it. I know that Kubuntu doesn't have that, but Ubuntu does.