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How long do you reckon before google shuts down GCP? I suppose that’s part of the gamble when you bet on them.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> I suppose that’s part of the gamble when you bet on them. That or they just shut down your GCP. Lack of a real, responsive support channel is what keeps me from spending money for Google services.
- antonvs 6y ago
  We use GCP and have a real, responsive support channel. See https://cloud.google.com/support https://cloud.google.com/support . Are you saying lack of a responsive free support channel?
renewiltord 6y ago
This is such an unlikely event. Anyone with any knowledge of the cloud space would declare this nigh impossible.
antonvs 6y ago
You're understandably thinking of Google's track record with many of its other products that were discontinued. However, most of those products were "free" to the user, and as such Google had no real obligation to its customers. GCP is a very different kind of product. Customers pay for it directly, and often their business depends on it. It's covered by all sorts of contractual agreements, including service level agreements. It's backed by a great deal of physical hardware around the world that Google wouldn't otherwise need. Its revenue is growing fast, currently over $12 billion/year. That's revenue from customers paying it directly. In Q2 2020 it had 43% growth, even though Alphabet had its first quarterly revenue drop. It's not the kind of thing they're going to dump on a whim, and if they did decide to exit that space, it would most likely be by letting another company acquire it, since it would be hugely expensive to just drop it.
- temp667 6y ago
  Tell that to folks building on the paid maps API's. I don't think AWS has every really screwed anyone. My simpleDB kept running long after I even remembered it used simpledb! I can't even remember a price increase, much less a 10X gotcha one with no grandfathering! Ouch! Google will kill your account, change pricing etc much more commonly than AWS. The nightmare of google+ and being forced to jam a profile onto everything - they give two sh** about user stability / happiness on some things if the command comes down to blow the house up which it seems to periodically.
  - antonvs 6y ago
    Google Maps API is still not a comparable kind of business. And Google+ is completely irrelevant. > I don't think AWS has every really screwed anyone. The apples-to-apples comparison is not to AWS, but to Amazon. There are plenty of complaints against Amazon for ways they've screwed shoppers, book authors, publishers, etc. If you want to compare Google Cloud to AWS, you won't have nearly as much to complain about. It's perfectly reasonable to say you don't want to deal with or depend on Google because they've screwed you in the past. But the claim that there's a serious risk that GCP will suddenly be discontinued is just silly.
- trhway 6y ago
  >But when we looked at performance on the 16-core benchmark, none of the winning machines ran Intel processors. In fact, the AWS custom-built Graviton2 Processor, which uses a 64-bit ARM architecture, edged out GCP and Azure’s winning machines, both of which ran AMD processors. Google/GCP plays catch-up, and while GCP has been coming to the level of AWS on services, the AWS already gets new CPU platform, and Google doesn't have ARM thus leaving GCP several years behind - this will become pretty clear in the coming years. With ARM beating x86 on performance and power AWS can undercut - typical AMZN/Bezos - the GCP on price or use the extra margin to expand and finance even more R&D of AWS. I also think that Apple with M1 will become a huge cloud player, at least for various mobile apps, etc. ie. encroaching into GCP market, while not necessarily into enterprise market of AWS nor Azure. That way the GCP will be squeezed from all sides. >Its revenue is growing fast, currently over $12 billion/year. The tough question here for GCP is whether that revenue is supporting the R&D to match the R&D of AWS and Azure (and probably Apple in the coming years), especially the investment required to get their own ARM. If i remember correctly Google gave GCP till 2023 to become a leader comparable to AWS or something like this. I think they wouldn't reach the goal, and as result Google will start counting money when it comes to GCP and will just drop GCP from the top priorities, and the GCP will just linger lagging behind more and more.

> I suppose that’s part of the gamble when you bet on them. That or they just shut down your GCP. Lack of a real, responsive support channel is what keeps me from spending money for Google services.

antonvs 6y ago
We use GCP and have a real, responsive support channel. See https://cloud.google.com/support https://cloud.google.com/support . Are you saying lack of a responsive free support channel?

renewiltord 6y ago

This is such an unlikely event. Anyone with any knowledge of the cloud space would declare this nigh impossible.

antonvs 6y ago

You're understandably thinking of Google's track record with many of its other products that were discontinued. However, most of those products were "free" to the user, and as such Google had no real obligation to its customers. GCP is a very different kind of product. Customers pay for it directly, and often their business depends on it. It's covered by all sorts of contractual agreements, including service level agreements. It's backed by a great deal of physical hardware around the world that Google wouldn't otherwise need. Its revenue is growing fast, currently over $12 billion/year. That's revenue from customers paying it directly. In Q2 2020 it had 43% growth, even though Alphabet had its first quarterly revenue drop. It's not the kind of thing they're going to dump on a whim, and if they did decide to exit that space, it would most likely be by letting another company acquire it, since it would be hugely expensive to just drop it.

temp667 6y ago
Tell that to folks building on the paid maps API's. I don't think AWS has every really screwed anyone. My simpleDB kept running long after I even remembered it used simpledb! I can't even remember a price increase, much less a 10X gotcha one with no grandfathering! Ouch! Google will kill your account, change pricing etc much more commonly than AWS. The nightmare of google+ and being forced to jam a profile onto everything - they give two sh** about user stability / happiness on some things if the command comes down to blow the house up which it seems to periodically.
- antonvs 6y ago
  Google Maps API is still not a comparable kind of business. And Google+ is completely irrelevant. > I don't think AWS has every really screwed anyone. The apples-to-apples comparison is not to AWS, but to Amazon. There are plenty of complaints against Amazon for ways they've screwed shoppers, book authors, publishers, etc. If you want to compare Google Cloud to AWS, you won't have nearly as much to complain about. It's perfectly reasonable to say you don't want to deal with or depend on Google because they've screwed you in the past. But the claim that there's a serious risk that GCP will suddenly be discontinued is just silly.
trhway 6y ago
>But when we looked at performance on the 16-core benchmark, none of the winning machines ran Intel processors. In fact, the AWS custom-built Graviton2 Processor, which uses a 64-bit ARM architecture, edged out GCP and Azure’s winning machines, both of which ran AMD processors. Google/GCP plays catch-up, and while GCP has been coming to the level of AWS on services, the AWS already gets new CPU platform, and Google doesn't have ARM thus leaving GCP several years behind - this will become pretty clear in the coming years. With ARM beating x86 on performance and power AWS can undercut - typical AMZN/Bezos - the GCP on price or use the extra margin to expand and finance even more R&D of AWS. I also think that Apple with M1 will become a huge cloud player, at least for various mobile apps, etc. ie. encroaching into GCP market, while not necessarily into enterprise market of AWS nor Azure. That way the GCP will be squeezed from all sides. >Its revenue is growing fast, currently over $12 billion/year. The tough question here for GCP is whether that revenue is supporting the R&D to match the R&D of AWS and Azure (and probably Apple in the coming years), especially the investment required to get their own ARM. If i remember correctly Google gave GCP till 2023 to become a leader comparable to AWS or something like this. I think they wouldn't reach the goal, and as result Google will start counting money when it comes to GCP and will just drop GCP from the top priorities, and the GCP will just linger lagging behind more and more.