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Isn't this the reason to push for no more ports than the USB-C. After the Macbook become USB-C only, manufacturers started to move to USB-C instead of USB-A and

by csomar 6y ago

Isn't this the reason to push for no more ports than the USB-C. After the Macbook become USB-C only, manufacturers started to move to USB-C instead of USB-A and some of them include an adapter. The quicker we move, the better. It'll be a little painful at first, but then we'll have only USB-C for everything.

xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
When I buy a computer, I want something that makes my life better. I do not want something that deliberately makes my life worse to achieve a strategic goal for Apple Computer. We saw the same thing with Flash. Apple didn't like Flash and wanted it dead. They couldn't manage to kill it off through negotiation or outreach or by offering a better alternative, so they instead decided to weaponize the iPhone by refusing to support Flash at all. Their angry customers then killed Flash for them.
- numbsafari 6y ago
  They did offer something better: HTML5. Don’t blame Apple for Flash’s demise. Blame Adobe. They allowed it to become the inefficient, security rats nest that it was. The web is amazingly better now that Flash has been relegated to its best use: historical animations and games.
  - xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
    And HTML5 did not kill off Flash. People kept right on using Flash until Apple sicced millions of angry iPhone users on them. I thank Apple for Flash's demise. I had no love for Flash. What I blame Apple for is treating their customers as pawns in a game. They sold their customers a broken product so they could gain leverage.
  - behnamoh 6y ago
    > web is amazingly better now that Flash has been relegated to its best use: historical animations and games Is it though? All I see is millions of bloated websites that all look the same thanks to lack of Flash, and not much success with html5 to really replace Flash.
- behnamoh 6y ago
  My thoughts exactly. I don’t want to sacrifice my own convenience for the sake of a company, which by the way, doesn’t even bother including a freaking adapter in their other product, the iphone.
- csomar 6y ago
  Which was a net positive for the Internet? But this is not a companies' war, but rather a specs war (USB vs A bunch). Apple is not pushing for its own interests only on this one, but for the interest of everyone.
  - xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
    That is entirely irrelevant to my point. Apple used its monopoly power to make its users buy an inferior product so that others would have no choice but to adapt. How many of those users, given the option, would choose to buy a machine with no Flash support or with only one type of port? It is, by the way, absolutely not a clear advantage to get rid of old ports. USB C is about five years old. It is absolutely ludicrous to claim that any peripheral older than USB C is obsolete. That goes double for audio equipment. I have decades-old equipment that is still excellent by modern standards, but Apple has decided it's got to go because the 3.5mm headphone jack is unfashionable. If I were an Apple customer I would have no choice but to throw out all my electronics every few years or carry around a suitcase of adapters.
OkGoDoIt 6y ago
I’ve been hearing this argument for years now. Years of pain, and I still don’t feel like we’re any closer to this supposed future. Maybe it was a mistake?
- csomar 6y ago
  I think we just started. I was shipping for an external hard-drive recently and USB-C seems to be the new standard.
- totalZero 6y ago
  I charge my phone on my laptop charger, and charge my laptop on my dock. When I want to undock my laptop, I disconnect a single cable. I have two monitors that can run off a phone or a laptop using just a USB cable (no power supply). I can even charge my MBP off a Lenovo charger without a second thought. None of this was possible prior to those "years of pain." I personally welcome our USB-C overlords.
  - llampx 6y ago
    Charging standardization is only a small part of what was promised via USB-C though.

by csomar 6y ago

xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago

When I buy a computer, I want something that makes my life better. I do not want something that deliberately makes my life worse to achieve a strategic goal for Apple Computer. We saw the same thing with Flash. Apple didn't like Flash and wanted it dead. They couldn't manage to kill it off through negotiation or outreach or by offering a better alternative, so they instead decided to weaponize the iPhone by refusing to support Flash at all. Their angry customers then killed Flash for them.

numbsafari 6y ago
They did offer something better: HTML5. Don’t blame Apple for Flash’s demise. Blame Adobe. They allowed it to become the inefficient, security rats nest that it was. The web is amazingly better now that Flash has been relegated to its best use: historical animations and games.
- xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
  And HTML5 did not kill off Flash. People kept right on using Flash until Apple sicced millions of angry iPhone users on them. I thank Apple for Flash's demise. I had no love for Flash. What I blame Apple for is treating their customers as pawns in a game. They sold their customers a broken product so they could gain leverage.
- behnamoh 6y ago
  > web is amazingly better now that Flash has been relegated to its best use: historical animations and games Is it though? All I see is millions of bloated websites that all look the same thanks to lack of Flash, and not much success with html5 to really replace Flash.
behnamoh 6y ago
My thoughts exactly. I don’t want to sacrifice my own convenience for the sake of a company, which by the way, doesn’t even bother including a freaking adapter in their other product, the iphone.
csomar 6y ago
Which was a net positive for the Internet? But this is not a companies' war, but rather a specs war (USB vs A bunch). Apple is not pushing for its own interests only on this one, but for the interest of everyone.
- xirbeosbwo1234 6y ago
  That is entirely irrelevant to my point. Apple used its monopoly power to make its users buy an inferior product so that others would have no choice but to adapt. How many of those users, given the option, would choose to buy a machine with no Flash support or with only one type of port? It is, by the way, absolutely not a clear advantage to get rid of old ports. USB C is about five years old. It is absolutely ludicrous to claim that any peripheral older than USB C is obsolete. That goes double for audio equipment. I have decades-old equipment that is still excellent by modern standards, but Apple has decided it's got to go because the 3.5mm headphone jack is unfashionable. If I were an Apple customer I would have no choice but to throw out all my electronics every few years or carry around a suitcase of adapters.

OkGoDoIt 6y ago

I’ve been hearing this argument for years now. Years of pain, and I still don’t feel like we’re any closer to this supposed future. Maybe it was a mistake?

csomar 6y ago
I think we just started. I was shipping for an external hard-drive recently and USB-C seems to be the new standard.
totalZero 6y ago
I charge my phone on my laptop charger, and charge my laptop on my dock. When I want to undock my laptop, I disconnect a single cable. I have two monitors that can run off a phone or a laptop using just a USB cable (no power supply). I can even charge my MBP off a Lenovo charger without a second thought. None of this was possible prior to those "years of pain." I personally welcome our USB-C overlords.
- llampx 6y ago
  Charging standardization is only a small part of what was promised via USB-C though.