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> that criminals are under-evolved, subhuman beasts This has everything to do with common attitudes. Ask any person about what kind of person does the kind of
by kodah 6y ago
> that criminals are under-evolved, subhuman beasts
This has everything to do with common attitudes. Ask any person about what kind of person does the kind of crime or moral aberration they are most passionate about and you'll get a similar response. People can't imagine that criminals might have had some understandable train of thought prior to committing a crime; or worse that they may have done exactly the same thing in their shoes.
> These algorithms reportedly make false accusations against students with disabilities who move their faces and hands in atypical ways, and Black students have indicated that they have been required to shine bright lights in their faces so as to have their features detected at all.
Warning: I will be using the term police quite broadly here, but it's anyone involved in any kind of policing or detective activity.
Any algorithm used in policing that produces false negatives needs to be retired until it can be proven they can be used provably equally on people, which I suspect is never. The problem is that most people believe that policing should be more efficient. More efficient police work means violating your privacy, breaking algorithms, and using lazy surveillance and data collection. If you want your freedoms intact then good old fashioned police and detective work needs to be just that; the police need to be smarter, not have smarter tools.
> Yet equating convictions with criminality seems to register with the authors mainly as an empirical flaw, in that using pictures of convicted criminals, but not of the ones who were cleared, introduces a statistical bias that skews the results. They said they were “deeply baffled” at the public outrage in reaction to a study that was intended “for pure academic discussions,” which also suggests an unawareness that their work’s flaws go beyond sloppy statistics.
Absolutely a fair criticism. I'm surprised anyone was baffled that the criminal justice system is highly flawed, other than some mathematicians who lead quite prestigious lives. I've long thought it's pretty suspect that there's a morality bar forming (or that has formed) in programming. A force beyond laws can make you unhireable, what a precedent! Really, I find the idea that we might deny entry to programming even for convicted felons that have served their time problematic. Their insights might be quite useful here.
Edit: Changed "Americans" to "people"
- nooyurrsdey 6y ago> Ask any American about what kind of person does the kind of crime or moral aberration they are most passionate about and you'll get a similar response > .... > Especially Americans can't imagine... Why is this targeting Americans? In my home country these same biases exist. There's a "group of people" that are deemed more likely prone to criminal behavior. For some reason America seems to serve as a lightning rod for these types of criticisms, as if the rest of the world is better somehow.
- Aerroon 6y agoThe American context is easier to understand for most people. We're surrounded by American culture on English-speaking websites. The context of <other country> isn't as easy to understand for people that don't know <other country> well.
- kodah 6y agoI'm certainly not saying your struggles don't exist. I live in America and it'd be disingenuous and probably counter-intuitive for me to create an exhaustive list of all people's who suffer these circumstances. That's to say, I can really only speak in earnest about the devil that I know.
- Amezarak 6y ago> People can't imagine that criminals might have had some understandable train of thought prior to committing a crime; or worse that they may have done exactly the same thing in their shoes. People can imagine this. They understand it. They just implicitly recognize that humans are rationalization machines, that their reasons don't matter. Every single person in human history, no matter how abhorrent, had their reasons, had a whole litany of reasons that they could recite. Plenty of them were able to convince other people they were right, too. That's how you get everything from mass surveillance to genocides. Now, it's part of being human that we recognize that in extraordinary circumstances, maybe those exigencies can justify or ameliorate your wrongs. But every single person in human history is going to be able to explain to you why that applies to their case, that they had to do it. But the fact remains nearly all of them didn't.
- kodah 6y agoI'm talking about the way we look at average criminals. I don't think we should be looking at average people like they're monsters.