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I think it would be helpful if you let us know why you believe it is obvious.

josho 6y ago
In what sane world do you merit a police raid for publishing public health data? Assuming the worst that she accessed a computer she was not authorized to access. This data, in the aggregate, is public data. Regardless innocent until proven guilty applies. And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’.
- ptero 6y ago
  Some personal medical data is very sensitive, and for a good reason. I am not claiming that this is true in this case, and the state does have to argue and prove why it decided that both the search and the arrest were justified; but it is also not clear at this point that there is no case either. Publishing public, aggregated, anonymous health data should not be a cause for this arrest; and I hope the judge that signed the warrant understands this. So there must be a different explanation and the state must provide it, and quickly.
- curlypaul924 6y ago
  > And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’. As I understand it, the police can tell _her_ the charges, but they cannot make the details of the warrants public until she has been processed. After that it becomes public record with the court. This is itself an issue, because websites scrape court documents and re-publish the information as a service. They then charge a service fee to have the information removed, even in cases where the charges have been dropped.
  - fdschoeneman 6y ago
    I don't know what the laws or policies are in Florida for such things. I can see a privacy right being violated I the case where a state reveals the subject of a warrant that could be mistakenly issued. For example, if someone used my wifi to download child porn and the cops executed a search warrant on my computers, I would absolutely not want want them to make any public statement.
- JPKab 6y ago
  In typical comment section fashion most of the people including yourself don't know anything about the details of this case. She was accessing a system that she was not supposed to access anymore including for messaging employees of the state of Florida. she was no longer an employee and was using the system to send out mass text messages. They traced her IP and sent police to knock on her door with a search warrant. She would not open the door for over an hour so they eventually went into her home with more aggressive force. Her entire story for 2020 has been driven by her original termination due to her conflict with the data science team. She was making updates to the dashboard without their permission or approval and was terminated. Then when this happened she made a claim that is not substantiated that her conflict with the data science team was driven by a desire to hide data from the public on the part of the state. This was in May. The figures she claims were being hidden never materialized because it was never actually true. she had claimed tens of thousands more people had died than the state was reporting which was completely untrue. The reality is that the partisan press and numerous partisan actors used her as a useful idiot to attack their political enemy Governor DeSantis. All of this was around this narrative that Florida must have far more deaths and infections because they were opening up more aggressively than other states with high death counts and infection rates. The reality is that the data is pretty clear and states like California aren't doing better than Florida in any metrics. The most problematic element to all of this has been her shameless self-promotion that appeals to conspiracy theorist and others. And let's be clear: the media started calling her a data scientist to bolster credibility for their partisan attacks against DeSantis and that's the primary reason. I would welcome any HN reader to look at the state statistics on covid especially per capita and wonder why the media treatment of certain states has been completely different than other states that have identical statistics. I have done so and the biggest driver I have found has been the political party of the governor. Illinois has not done well. California is not doing well. Florida has done far better than it should given its elderly population. Georgia is not markedly worse than other states, but media called their decision to open in the spring "an experiment in human sacrifice."
- fdschoeneman 6y ago
  You are are assuming facts not in evidence. We don't know for sure what the raid was about.

In what sane world do you merit a police raid for publishing public health data? Assuming the worst that she accessed a computer she was not authorized to access. This data, in the aggregate, is public data. Regardless innocent until proven guilty applies. And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’.

ptero 6y ago
Some personal medical data is very sensitive, and for a good reason. I am not claiming that this is true in this case, and the state does have to argue and prove why it decided that both the search and the arrest were justified; but it is also not clear at this point that there is no case either. Publishing public, aggregated, anonymous health data should not be a cause for this arrest; and I hope the judge that signed the warrant understands this. So there must be a different explanation and the state must provide it, and quickly.
curlypaul924 6y ago
> And to date the state hasn’t even made their charges public which seems ridiculous. ‘I have an arrest warrant for you, but I can’t tell you the charge’. As I understand it, the police can tell _her_ the charges, but they cannot make the details of the warrants public until she has been processed. After that it becomes public record with the court. This is itself an issue, because websites scrape court documents and re-publish the information as a service. They then charge a service fee to have the information removed, even in cases where the charges have been dropped.
- fdschoeneman 6y ago
  I don't know what the laws or policies are in Florida for such things. I can see a privacy right being violated I the case where a state reveals the subject of a warrant that could be mistakenly issued. For example, if someone used my wifi to download child porn and the cops executed a search warrant on my computers, I would absolutely not want want them to make any public statement.
JPKab 6y ago
In typical comment section fashion most of the people including yourself don't know anything about the details of this case. She was accessing a system that she was not supposed to access anymore including for messaging employees of the state of Florida. she was no longer an employee and was using the system to send out mass text messages. They traced her IP and sent police to knock on her door with a search warrant. She would not open the door for over an hour so they eventually went into her home with more aggressive force. Her entire story for 2020 has been driven by her original termination due to her conflict with the data science team. She was making updates to the dashboard without their permission or approval and was terminated. Then when this happened she made a claim that is not substantiated that her conflict with the data science team was driven by a desire to hide data from the public on the part of the state. This was in May. The figures she claims were being hidden never materialized because it was never actually true. she had claimed tens of thousands more people had died than the state was reporting which was completely untrue. The reality is that the partisan press and numerous partisan actors used her as a useful idiot to attack their political enemy Governor DeSantis. All of this was around this narrative that Florida must have far more deaths and infections because they were opening up more aggressively than other states with high death counts and infection rates. The reality is that the data is pretty clear and states like California aren't doing better than Florida in any metrics. The most problematic element to all of this has been her shameless self-promotion that appeals to conspiracy theorist and others. And let's be clear: the media started calling her a data scientist to bolster credibility for their partisan attacks against DeSantis and that's the primary reason. I would welcome any HN reader to look at the state statistics on covid especially per capita and wonder why the media treatment of certain states has been completely different than other states that have identical statistics. I have done so and the biggest driver I have found has been the political party of the governor. Illinois has not done well. California is not doing well. Florida has done far better than it should given its elderly population. Georgia is not markedly worse than other states, but media called their decision to open in the spring "an experiment in human sacrifice."
fdschoeneman 6y ago
You are are assuming facts not in evidence. We don't know for sure what the raid was about.