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Which of those degrees qualifies her as a data scientist capable of contravening WHO recommendations? Moreover, she is repeatedly referred to in the press as a

Which of those degrees qualifies her as a data scientist capable of contravening WHO recommendations? Moreover, she is repeatedly referred to in the press as a data scientist, but all accounts of her actual work are that of a dashboard developer. Having done both myself, I can attest that they are very different types of work warranting very different training.

eganist 6y ago
> Which of those degrees qualifies her as a data scientist capable of contravening WHO recommendations? Literally all of her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights from vast and disparate data sets, which is the role you just described. > Having done both myself, I can attest that they are very different types of work warranting very different training. She's educated as a data scientist specific to a given field. No different than a rocket scientist running numbers at a hedge fund. And I'd argue training v. education are vastly different; education gives context to job-specific training.
- prepend 6y ago
  > Literally all of her research involved gathering and communicating... Pedantically pointing out that, literally, this is a false statement. It’s ok to accurately reflect her work and that advanced degrees are hard without assigning incorrect and hyperbolic characteristics.
  - eganist 6y ago
    > Pedantically pointing out that, literally, this is a false statement. My statement is so generic as to be true in the context of fields involving scientific research. And that's in essence the point: that's what data science is in the end. This isn't an attempt to incense those with Data Scientist in their job title or job description, but it's why so many STEM folks can easily find homes in Data Science without formal education on the topic.
    - prepend 6y ago
      Not really, I don’t think all her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights. There’s lots of other parts of research. Also, data science is a sort of generic term and trying to generalize to any form of common characteristics is not very productive. I’m not aware of any certified curricula for data science or accreditation bodies so it’s kind of a marketing label assigned to everything from boot camps to GIS programs. I think this is positive since lots of people work with data. But it’s problematic to assume that it means anything other than someone wants to signal that they work with data.
      - eganist 6y ago
        > Not really, I don’t think all her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights. There’s lots of other parts of research. But that is, in fact, the definition of research ("the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions") and the publication of research findings fits the definition of communication. I guess my point is: if you're going to be pedantic on the internet, you should consider whether it's worth your time defending your own contribution. I've got no qualms defending the idea that Rebekah Jones is a data scientist.
- xibalba 6y ago
  > She's educated as a data scientist specific to a given field. > [data scientist] is the role you just described. No. She's not a data scientist and she herself doesn't even make this claim [1] Her job titles were: 1) GIS Analyst and 2) Geographic Information Systems Manager. Both are systems/dev roles. Clearly, neither is a position from which one is qualified to contravene the WHO. Her degrees (per her own LinkedIn page) are in Geography. Take a look at the degree requirements at Syracuse (which offers both a BA and a BS (Jones earned the BA option)) [2] and LSU [3]. Next, go look at a few DS job postings and tell me the requirements are aligned (they are not). I'm sure Jones is smart. I'm sure Jones is well versed in Geography. But she's not a data scientist. Even if she were, her skills and experience would not qualify her to overrule WHO guidance. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/stormjones/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/stormjones/ [2] http://coursecatalog.syr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=3&poid=858&returnto=255 http://coursecatalog.syr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=3&po... [3] https://lsu.edu/ga/programs/msgeography.php https://lsu.edu/ga/programs/msgeography.php
  - nix23 6y ago
    >GIS Analyst You know what GIS means? Geo INFORMATION System....Analyst. Not many other Fields produces more Data then geo...maybe Weather...that's more complicated data (and hard to interpret) as most people who claim the title Data Scientist will ever see. >But she's not a data scientist. Stop with that it's no even a real job, it's a base training. Do you really think a Data Scientist has any plan what Cern Data s even mean...no.
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syshum 6y ago
I love that all the replies are just competing appeals to Authority "My Experts™ are more Experts™ than your Experts™" Not a single person in this thread as actually made any factual statements or presented any actual evidence of either sides correctness or validity. It simply "She has these degree;s so we should listens" vs "The WHO Says...." It would be amusing if it was not so sad...

eganist 6y ago

> Which of those degrees qualifies her as a data scientist capable of contravening WHO recommendations? Literally all of her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights from vast and disparate data sets, which is the role you just described. > Having done both myself, I can attest that they are very different types of work warranting very different training. She's educated as a data scientist specific to a given field. No different than a rocket scientist running numbers at a hedge fund. And I'd argue training v. education are vastly different; education gives context to job-specific training.

prepend 6y ago
> Literally all of her research involved gathering and communicating... Pedantically pointing out that, literally, this is a false statement. It’s ok to accurately reflect her work and that advanced degrees are hard without assigning incorrect and hyperbolic characteristics.
- eganist 6y ago
  > Pedantically pointing out that, literally, this is a false statement. My statement is so generic as to be true in the context of fields involving scientific research. And that's in essence the point: that's what data science is in the end. This isn't an attempt to incense those with Data Scientist in their job title or job description, but it's why so many STEM folks can easily find homes in Data Science without formal education on the topic.
  - prepend 6y ago
    Not really, I don’t think all her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights. There’s lots of other parts of research. Also, data science is a sort of generic term and trying to generalize to any form of common characteristics is not very productive. I’m not aware of any certified curricula for data science or accreditation bodies so it’s kind of a marketing label assigned to everything from boot camps to GIS programs. I think this is positive since lots of people work with data. But it’s problematic to assume that it means anything other than someone wants to signal that they work with data.
    - eganist 6y ago
      > Not really, I don’t think all her research involved gathering and communicating relevant insights. There’s lots of other parts of research. But that is, in fact, the definition of research ("the systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions") and the publication of research findings fits the definition of communication. I guess my point is: if you're going to be pedantic on the internet, you should consider whether it's worth your time defending your own contribution. I've got no qualms defending the idea that Rebekah Jones is a data scientist.
xibalba 6y ago
> She's educated as a data scientist specific to a given field. > [data scientist] is the role you just described. No. She's not a data scientist and she herself doesn't even make this claim [1] Her job titles were: 1) GIS Analyst and 2) Geographic Information Systems Manager. Both are systems/dev roles. Clearly, neither is a position from which one is qualified to contravene the WHO. Her degrees (per her own LinkedIn page) are in Geography. Take a look at the degree requirements at Syracuse (which offers both a BA and a BS (Jones earned the BA option)) [2] and LSU [3]. Next, go look at a few DS job postings and tell me the requirements are aligned (they are not). I'm sure Jones is smart. I'm sure Jones is well versed in Geography. But she's not a data scientist. Even if she were, her skills and experience would not qualify her to overrule WHO guidance. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/stormjones/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/stormjones/ [2] http://coursecatalog.syr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=3&poid=858&returnto=255 http://coursecatalog.syr.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=3&po... [3] https://lsu.edu/ga/programs/msgeography.php https://lsu.edu/ga/programs/msgeography.php
- nix23 6y ago
  >GIS Analyst You know what GIS means? Geo INFORMATION System....Analyst. Not many other Fields produces more Data then geo...maybe Weather...that's more complicated data (and hard to interpret) as most people who claim the title Data Scientist will ever see. >But she's not a data scientist. Stop with that it's no even a real job, it's a base training. Do you really think a Data Scientist has any plan what Cern Data s even mean...no.

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syshum 6y ago

I love that all the replies are just competing appeals to Authority "My Experts™ are more Experts™ than your Experts™" Not a single person in this thread as actually made any factual statements or presented any actual evidence of either sides correctness or validity. It simply "She has these degree;s so we should listens" vs "The WHO Says...." It would be amusing if it was not so sad...