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The cops aren’t wild animals. They should have the ability to figure out whether or not a web developer/data scientist at home with warrants for nonviolent alle

The cops aren’t wild animals. They should have the ability to figure out whether or not a web developer/data scientist at home with warrants for nonviolent allegations is worth drawing a gun in a house with children in it. We need to hold cops to a higher standard of behavior.

sonotathrowaway 6y ago
Fun fact: when the police needed to find a judge to evaluate the strength of their warrant, the one they found was a family court judge brand new to the bench, whose signature in her warrant literally being the first one he signed in his career. They understand it makes it abundantly clear that they are engaged in a witch hunt, but communicating threats of state violence against whistleblowers is a much more important priority than the semblance of justice.
bjornsing 6y ago
> The cops aren’t wild animals. Sadly, when you give people a stick and tell them they are allowed to beat other people with it, at least some of them tend to start behaving a bit like wild animals. It’s sad, but seemingly unavoidable.
yanderekko 6y ago
Be that as it may, spinning the story as involving the cops "holding her children at gunpoint" is a wild distortion and indicates the low quality of discussion that this issue has generated.
stretchcat 6y ago
In Florida, even web developers are allowed to own guns. It sounds like the cops kept a level head and didn't shoot anybody. This was probably pretty routine for Florida cops.
- SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
  This particular warrant case is not being searched for any violent behavior and has no history of violence, with the warrant happening in a place with no history of violence or abuse. There is no reason to be pulling guns in a home with children as soon as one enters it. It shouldn’t be routine to draw weapons in a place where there is no reason to presume weapons exist.
  - stretchcat 6y ago
    It being Florida is enough reason to presume guns might be present in the house. Note that contrary to the expectations of many foreigners, Florida does not have a list of all Floridians who own guns. In fact it's actually illegal for the state to create such a list. The children seem to be irrelevant; if children weren't in the house I doubt you'd suddenly be fine with what the cops did, so the presence of children doesn't contribute to your point. Furthermore some of the narratives about what happened are greatly exaggerating the situation, claiming that cops pointed guns in the faces of children. I've seen no evidence of this happening, so I think some people are cynically pointing to the children in an attempt to emotionally manipulate others. I don't see any other reason to mention the kids. They simply aren't relevant to the story.
    - laverya 6y ago
      > In fact it's actually illegal for the state to create such a list. To elaborate on this a little bit, NO state in the US has such a list - not one worth a damn, that is. For instance, NY recently mandated the registration of all "assault weapons" in the state, but compliance there is estimated to be in the single-digit percent range. (1m+ applicable weapons, ~45,000 registrations - the definition is really broad and includes essentially everything semiautomatic with a detachable magazine) These weapons were previously legal to own/buy/sell/transfer, and would continue to be legal to own if registered - and registration still didn't crack 10%. Extrapolate to people that the police are likely to deal with in an adversarial manner, and you can see that a DB entry showing "no guns at 123 Main Street" is absolutely worthless.

sonotathrowaway 6y ago

Fun fact: when the police needed to find a judge to evaluate the strength of their warrant, the one they found was a family court judge brand new to the bench, whose signature in her warrant literally being the first one he signed in his career. They understand it makes it abundantly clear that they are engaged in a witch hunt, but communicating threats of state violence against whistleblowers is a much more important priority than the semblance of justice.

bjornsing 6y ago

> The cops aren’t wild animals. Sadly, when you give people a stick and tell them they are allowed to beat other people with it, at least some of them tend to start behaving a bit like wild animals. It’s sad, but seemingly unavoidable.

yanderekko 6y ago

Be that as it may, spinning the story as involving the cops "holding her children at gunpoint" is a wild distortion and indicates the low quality of discussion that this issue has generated.

stretchcat 6y ago

In Florida, even web developers are allowed to own guns. It sounds like the cops kept a level head and didn't shoot anybody. This was probably pretty routine for Florida cops.

SamoyedFurFluff 6y ago
This particular warrant case is not being searched for any violent behavior and has no history of violence, with the warrant happening in a place with no history of violence or abuse. There is no reason to be pulling guns in a home with children as soon as one enters it. It shouldn’t be routine to draw weapons in a place where there is no reason to presume weapons exist.
- stretchcat 6y ago
  It being Florida is enough reason to presume guns might be present in the house. Note that contrary to the expectations of many foreigners, Florida does not have a list of all Floridians who own guns. In fact it's actually illegal for the state to create such a list. The children seem to be irrelevant; if children weren't in the house I doubt you'd suddenly be fine with what the cops did, so the presence of children doesn't contribute to your point. Furthermore some of the narratives about what happened are greatly exaggerating the situation, claiming that cops pointed guns in the faces of children. I've seen no evidence of this happening, so I think some people are cynically pointing to the children in an attempt to emotionally manipulate others. I don't see any other reason to mention the kids. They simply aren't relevant to the story.
  - laverya 6y ago
    > In fact it's actually illegal for the state to create such a list. To elaborate on this a little bit, NO state in the US has such a list - not one worth a damn, that is. For instance, NY recently mandated the registration of all "assault weapons" in the state, but compliance there is estimated to be in the single-digit percent range. (1m+ applicable weapons, ~45,000 registrations - the definition is really broad and includes essentially everything semiautomatic with a detachable magazine) These weapons were previously legal to own/buy/sell/transfer, and would continue to be legal to own if registered - and registration still didn't crack 10%. Extrapolate to people that the police are likely to deal with in an adversarial manner, and you can see that a DB entry showing "no guns at 123 Main Street" is absolutely worthless.