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Indium is very rare. Used for transparent conductors on displays etc. Is it really worth it to use it in a slightly better blue? In other words: does its curren

by summm 6y ago

Indium is very rare. Used for transparent conductors on displays etc. Is it really worth it to use it in a slightly better blue? In other words: does its current price really reflect all the future use we could get from Indium?

adrian_b 6y ago
Indium is comparable in abundance with gold, so it is indeed very rare. Indium is completely irreplaceable in LED's, especially in the LED's used for lighting, and also in other important semiconductor devices, e.g. in the GaN transistors that are now used in the latest miniaturized power bricks. Currently the largest quantity of indium is used for the transparent conductors required in all displays, from smartphones to TV's and monitors. There are alternatives for this use, but all have various disadvantages, e.g. a lower lifetime or a lower efficiency. I agree that wasting indium, which is probably the element with the lowest known resources compared to the known future needs for it, to make something like pigments, where there are a lot of mostly equivalent alternatives, is a serious mistake.
- annoyingnoob 6y ago
  I would say, do not underestimate the value of art. The article described an artist that made is own paint from the pigment. He painted a depiction of an ancient bird, its absolutely beautiful. This use was not a waste of resources and will in fact last much much longer than any screen made in 2021. Its arguable that using precious resources for products that last less than 20 years, in many cases less than 5 years, is a true waste.
  - adrian_b 6y ago
    I agree that using such a pigment for a small number of art objects would certainly be justified, like also the use of gold in art objects or jewelry, instead of its more valuable technical uses, for which there are no alternatives, e.g. in protecting electrical contacts from corrosion or in semiconductor metallization. However, if instead of using this pigment in a few valuable paintings, it would be used in a high number of ephemeral sketches done for practice, that would be a waste. Nevertheless, the high price at which the pigment has been launched is good, because it will probably deter casual use.
    - La1n 6y ago
      >However, if instead of using this pigment in a few valuable paintings, it would be used in a high number of ephemeral sketches done for practice, that would be a waste. Just like a high number of ephemeral smartphone screens would be a waste?

by summm 6y ago

adrian_b 6y ago

Indium is comparable in abundance with gold, so it is indeed very rare. Indium is completely irreplaceable in LED's, especially in the LED's used for lighting, and also in other important semiconductor devices, e.g. in the GaN transistors that are now used in the latest miniaturized power bricks. Currently the largest quantity of indium is used for the transparent conductors required in all displays, from smartphones to TV's and monitors. There are alternatives for this use, but all have various disadvantages, e.g. a lower lifetime or a lower efficiency. I agree that wasting indium, which is probably the element with the lowest known resources compared to the known future needs for it, to make something like pigments, where there are a lot of mostly equivalent alternatives, is a serious mistake.

annoyingnoob 6y ago
I would say, do not underestimate the value of art. The article described an artist that made is own paint from the pigment. He painted a depiction of an ancient bird, its absolutely beautiful. This use was not a waste of resources and will in fact last much much longer than any screen made in 2021. Its arguable that using precious resources for products that last less than 20 years, in many cases less than 5 years, is a true waste.
- adrian_b 6y ago
  I agree that using such a pigment for a small number of art objects would certainly be justified, like also the use of gold in art objects or jewelry, instead of its more valuable technical uses, for which there are no alternatives, e.g. in protecting electrical contacts from corrosion or in semiconductor metallization. However, if instead of using this pigment in a few valuable paintings, it would be used in a high number of ephemeral sketches done for practice, that would be a waste. Nevertheless, the high price at which the pigment has been launched is good, because it will probably deter casual use.
  - La1n 6y ago
    >However, if instead of using this pigment in a few valuable paintings, it would be used in a high number of ephemeral sketches done for practice, that would be a waste. Just like a high number of ephemeral smartphone screens would be a waste?