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The article's criticism of the 12-inch MacBook are preposterous. The 2 lb Macbook is the best laptop I've ever owned, by far. Maybe I'm too sensitive about weig

The article's criticism of the 12-inch MacBook are preposterous. The 2 lb Macbook is the best laptop I've ever owned, by far. Maybe I'm too sensitive about weight, but I feel an incredible difference between 3 lb and 2 lb laptops, especially if its sitting on your lap for extended periods of time. The keyboard and charger have never once been a hindrance to my workflow, as the article makes it out be. I really wish Apple would come out with 2 lb laptops again. Latest line of Macbooks (the "Air") weigh in at 2.8 lb minimum.

jeppesen-io 6y ago
I can't upvote this enough. Everytime I pull out the MacBook 12 I just feel joy using it
asiachick 6y ago
I agree I wish Apple would find a way to make a 16inch MBP weight 3lbs and an Air weigh 2lbs. It *seems* possible given an 12.9 inch iPad Pro only weighs 1.4lbs and other manufacturers have entries in that range. For whatever reason this idea always gets downvoted but I believe it will happen someday and every who downvoted will suddenly "get it".
- MrRiddle 6y ago
  I assume they could do it, but by reducing battery life to what it was before. However, if you can’t bare a laptop heavier than 2lbs may I suggest you’re in the wrong line of work.
- deergomoo 6y ago
  > I wish Apple would find a way to make a 16inch MBP weight 3lbs This could be reasonably possible with Apple silicon—well, maybe not 3lbs, but noticeably lighter than the current model. Part of the reason the 16” is so heavy is the 100Whr battery (which still manages to be woefully inadequate due to how much power the CPU sucks, let alone the GPU). The 13” ASi Pro has a 58Whr battery for “up to 17 hours” use, which seems to pan out to about 12-14 hours real-world usage. They could put that exact battery in an ASi 16” and it would still be leagues better than the “up to 11 hours” battery in the current model, which in my experience is actually 3-5 hours.
- least 6y ago
  > It seems possible given an 12.9 inch iPad Pro only weighs 1.4lbs The iPad Pro's weight jumps up significantly if you have to add a keyboard and trackpad to the mix. Though personally I would welcome a tablet mac with no included keyboard since I use an ergonomic keyboard the vast majority of the time anyway. > and other manufacturers have entries in that range. The one that comes to mind is the LG Gram series, of which they make a lot of compromises in order to accomplish their weight goals. Opening up the chassis of the LG Gram 17 and 15 you'll see a lot of empty space and a battery that is much smaller than it could accommodate. I think it'd be doable if apple made a 16 inch variant with the m1 chip in it but I'm not sure that you could without making similar compromises that LG does. Personally for a 16 inch laptop I'd rather have longer battery life and processing power which I think more closely aligns with people who prefer the larger form factor anyway. Still, it'd be nice to have options!
- fomine3 6y ago
  I wonder when will Apple stop using Unibody for MacBooks. I don't like the body overall because it's heavier, too cool on winter, and its style not attracting not much anymore.
girvo 6y ago
While I find the performance just not up to par, I completely agree.
emdowling 6y ago
Like everyone else, I love the MacBook 12. Give me one with a M-series, at the same (or less) weight, with Touch ID and the new keyboard. Like others, I don’t need more than 1 port. Not discounting anyone else’s need for it, but after living with it for a few years I really don’t need additional ports.
- gambiting 6y ago
  The thing is that while you might be reasonable about this, there seems to be a completely baffling number of people whose argument seems to be "I don't need it, therefore they shouldn't include it". It's like.....no one is forcing you to use these extra ports? But it's very nice to have them and some people will need them. If it doesn't increase the weight or thickness of the device(and it definitely doesn't to add another USB-C to the 12" MacBook) then I don't understand why some people literally treat it like some betrayal of what the device is.
  - behnamoh 6y ago
    I agree. Reading all these comments made me realize how selfish some people could be.
    - wartijn_ 6y ago
      I think that's a weird realization. Those other people don't use those port so they want everyone to have a MacBook without them. You want those port so you want everyone to have a MacBook without them. Or wanting either of those tings is selfish, and you should've realized that what you want is selfish, or both aren't.
      - behnamoh 6y ago
        You're wrong. What they want literally makes the MBP not usable for many others, whereas what I (and many others) want doesn't affect the usability/performance of the MBP for anyone.
mobilio 6y ago
I also love MB 12!
cehrlich 6y ago
The 12" MacBook was a fantastic computer. I used one from 2016 until a few weeks ago. However many of the (perfectly reasonable) compromises that Apple made to build this tiny 12" ultraportable also ended up being applied to the rest of the product line, where they just don't make much sense. Specifically the 2016-2019 MacBook Pro were really affected by this.
- sdjkglb 6y ago
  Yeah, the only people that seem to criticise the 12" macbook are people who've never owned one. I still have my 2016 12" m5 and it is a fantastic little machine for people that need to be mobile. In fact the other reason I got it was that the rest of the line (in Sept 2016) was not appealing at all. I had been set on a maxed out 13" pro, but hated the touchbar. I thought of the 12" as a stopgap until Apple realised the error of their ways.. turned out I would be waiting half a decade.
shrimpx 6y ago
Its drawback is poor performance but it’s ok for basic use — surfing the web, typing docs and notes. I almost got one in 2015 if I could code in it but I tested it and it was way too sluggish. However a 12 inch MacBook M1 would be incredible.
- novok 6y ago
  TBH I'm surprised apple didn't make the 12 macbook M1. The air is already fanless and the M1 chip is only 10W. I guess they really wanted to impress everyone with battery life numbers.

jeppesen-io 6y ago

I can't upvote this enough. Everytime I pull out the MacBook 12 I just feel joy using it

asiachick 6y ago

I agree I wish Apple would find a way to make a 16inch MBP weight 3lbs and an Air weigh 2lbs. It *seems* possible given an 12.9 inch iPad Pro only weighs 1.4lbs and other manufacturers have entries in that range. For whatever reason this idea always gets downvoted but I believe it will happen someday and every who downvoted will suddenly "get it".

MrRiddle 6y ago
I assume they could do it, but by reducing battery life to what it was before. However, if you can’t bare a laptop heavier than 2lbs may I suggest you’re in the wrong line of work.
deergomoo 6y ago
> I wish Apple would find a way to make a 16inch MBP weight 3lbs This could be reasonably possible with Apple silicon—well, maybe not 3lbs, but noticeably lighter than the current model. Part of the reason the 16” is so heavy is the 100Whr battery (which still manages to be woefully inadequate due to how much power the CPU sucks, let alone the GPU). The 13” ASi Pro has a 58Whr battery for “up to 17 hours” use, which seems to pan out to about 12-14 hours real-world usage. They could put that exact battery in an ASi 16” and it would still be leagues better than the “up to 11 hours” battery in the current model, which in my experience is actually 3-5 hours.
least 6y ago
> It seems possible given an 12.9 inch iPad Pro only weighs 1.4lbs The iPad Pro's weight jumps up significantly if you have to add a keyboard and trackpad to the mix. Though personally I would welcome a tablet mac with no included keyboard since I use an ergonomic keyboard the vast majority of the time anyway. > and other manufacturers have entries in that range. The one that comes to mind is the LG Gram series, of which they make a lot of compromises in order to accomplish their weight goals. Opening up the chassis of the LG Gram 17 and 15 you'll see a lot of empty space and a battery that is much smaller than it could accommodate. I think it'd be doable if apple made a 16 inch variant with the m1 chip in it but I'm not sure that you could without making similar compromises that LG does. Personally for a 16 inch laptop I'd rather have longer battery life and processing power which I think more closely aligns with people who prefer the larger form factor anyway. Still, it'd be nice to have options!
fomine3 6y ago
I wonder when will Apple stop using Unibody for MacBooks. I don't like the body overall because it's heavier, too cool on winter, and its style not attracting not much anymore.

girvo 6y ago

While I find the performance just not up to par, I completely agree.

emdowling 6y ago

Like everyone else, I love the MacBook 12. Give me one with a M-series, at the same (or less) weight, with Touch ID and the new keyboard. Like others, I don’t need more than 1 port. Not discounting anyone else’s need for it, but after living with it for a few years I really don’t need additional ports.

gambiting 6y ago
The thing is that while you might be reasonable about this, there seems to be a completely baffling number of people whose argument seems to be "I don't need it, therefore they shouldn't include it". It's like.....no one is forcing you to use these extra ports? But it's very nice to have them and some people will need them. If it doesn't increase the weight or thickness of the device(and it definitely doesn't to add another USB-C to the 12" MacBook) then I don't understand why some people literally treat it like some betrayal of what the device is.
- behnamoh 6y ago
  I agree. Reading all these comments made me realize how selfish some people could be.
  - wartijn_ 6y ago
    I think that's a weird realization. Those other people don't use those port so they want everyone to have a MacBook without them. You want those port so you want everyone to have a MacBook without them. Or wanting either of those tings is selfish, and you should've realized that what you want is selfish, or both aren't.
    - behnamoh 6y ago
      You're wrong. What they want literally makes the MBP not usable for many others, whereas what I (and many others) want doesn't affect the usability/performance of the MBP for anyone.

mobilio 6y ago

I also love MB 12!

cehrlich 6y ago

The 12" MacBook was a fantastic computer. I used one from 2016 until a few weeks ago. However many of the (perfectly reasonable) compromises that Apple made to build this tiny 12" ultraportable also ended up being applied to the rest of the product line, where they just don't make much sense. Specifically the 2016-2019 MacBook Pro were really affected by this.

sdjkglb 6y ago
Yeah, the only people that seem to criticise the 12" macbook are people who've never owned one. I still have my 2016 12" m5 and it is a fantastic little machine for people that need to be mobile. In fact the other reason I got it was that the rest of the line (in Sept 2016) was not appealing at all. I had been set on a maxed out 13" pro, but hated the touchbar. I thought of the 12" as a stopgap until Apple realised the error of their ways.. turned out I would be waiting half a decade.

shrimpx 6y ago

Its drawback is poor performance but it’s ok for basic use — surfing the web, typing docs and notes. I almost got one in 2015 if I could code in it but I tested it and it was way too sluggish. However a 12 inch MacBook M1 would be incredible.

novok 6y ago
TBH I'm surprised apple didn't make the 12 macbook M1. The air is already fanless and the M1 chip is only 10W. I guess they really wanted to impress everyone with battery life numbers.