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"Go make your own Facebook" Then AWS takes down Parlor. And so many on Hacker News rejoice. "Go make your own AWS" Where does that end? Go make your own doma

"Go make your own Facebook" Then AWS takes down Parlor. And so many on Hacker News rejoice. "Go make your own AWS" Where does that end? Go make your own domain registrar? Go make your own ICANN? Go make your own ISP? Go make your own internet? Go make your own microchips? If some virtue signaling Silicon Valley execs want to impress their friends, you're done. Oligarchy. Has nothing to do with capitalism or democracy. It has to do with internet points and social standing for elite tech executives. Looks far more like McCarthyism or totalitarianism than anything resembling a free democracy.

permille42 6y ago
You don't need Facebook to communicate your ideas to others. You don't need AWS either. AWS is actually a backwards development of technology in my opinion because it is anti-open source. It is quite straightforward to lease your own server and/or build your own and colo. You can even easily setup containers on such, or a cluster of them if you desire. You also don't need a domain name to host a site. Plain IP addresses work fine in many situations. There are plenty of "shady" countries who will let you register DNS and do whatever you want with it. Just look at the underground pirate community. None of this weak censorship by silencing Facebook posts is stopping them. Piracy will continue to the end of time, because if you have a bit of tech skill there is very little that can silence a person on the modern internet. And yes, p2p ( without internet ) file sharing is alive and well. Those in draconian environments engage in it. Swapping 12tb drives is quite effective in sharing data. Own microchips? Yeah we are heading that way. Hence the popularity of Risc-V and various "open hardware". Typically it is sufficient to use your own software stack on existing hardware though. SV execs can't do shit about public opinion or the underground community. The free exchange of information is alive and well. It just doesn't live on Facebook or Parler or any of that crap.
- Mountain_Skies 6y ago
  >You don't need Facebook to communicate your ideas to others. Interesting, that is the same point conservative judge Robert Bork used to make, and while not the only reason why he was rejected for the Supreme Court, it was certainly a factor. Weird how someone like Bork, who used to be considered on the far fringe of conservativism, is now part of mainstream liberal orthodoxy.
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  You do not need even electricity. People lived without power for thousands of generations and some still live like that. It still would not be fine if there was a class of outcasts defined by execs of power distribution companies on whim. The "you do not need" standard is a tricky one. Modern civilization is built around a lot of network-like structures. Getting kicked off them is a kind of punishment. We generally have some mechanisms that try to prevent capriciousness in punishment. Would you rather do a year in San Quentin or be completely deplatformed by Big Tech forever? I would probably choose the former. Being prevented, for example, to send any e-mail to anyone with Gmail.com address is a serious problem.
  - permille42 6y ago
    I would be delighted to be banned from all technology for eternity. I would wear the ban like a badge of honor and devote my life to the advancement of something more noble such as mathematics.
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      If you are the kind of talent that can make significant contributions alone, that is a viable (and enviable) way of life. But if you need to co-operate, that is really hard to do without tech. I used to do some work in algebra 20 years ago and mathematicians were one of the first branches to network extensively. It happens all too often that the other person who is interested and knowledgeable about the same arcane problem lives several time zones away.
      - permille42 6y ago
        As a child I took math books to bed with me. I only got a single question wrong on the math portion of the SAT, and frankly SAT math is extremely easy. I just wasn't taking it seriously enough. I took Calculus my first semester and scored over 98 on every test. No one else in the class scored above 80 on any of the tests. The teacher was dumbfounded. I, of course, have a degree in mathematics... Undergrad math was... boring. The only reason I didn't continue down the path of high level math is because it isn't profitable. It is also hell on the mind. Few understand that but it is very easy to get lost in a world of math if you are good enough at it. It consumes your entire mind. It is somewhat beautiful in that way, but doesn't lead to one become very balanced as an individual. Cooperation is for pussies. Those who make the biggest difference in history are those who give zero shits about anyone else and devote their lives to furthering what they pursue. Very few teams can hold a candle to a dedicated prodigy. There are these things called books. There are tons of them. They hold far more useful information that can be absorbed very rapidly compared to talking to people. Communicating with people live is... slow... tedious... and unrewarding.
watwut 6y ago
> Then AWS takes down Parlor. And so many on Hacker News rejoice. That is because AWS takedown of Parler is the one that is best argued. Largely due to Amazon having to respond to Parler suing them, but result is pretty convincing document. So you kinda now have to make argument for why Amazon should be forced to continue to host Parler despite all that. > Go make your own AWS" AWS has 30% of market and Oracle have same API. There are options beside do own. Moreover, Parler have Mercers money funding, they are not poor nobodied without resources and backing.
maxerickson 6y ago
There's no mechanism to force a private business to do a thing and the comparison you reach for is totalitarianism. It's incoherent. There probably should be a serious discussion about how access to platforms is mediated, but there's a pretty big chance that you end up asking for an expansion of government powers if you say the companies aren't free to do what they want anymore.
- typenil 6y ago
  If the US antitrust machine hadn't been asleep at the wheel for a couple decades, it wouldn't be a problem. "There's no mechanism to force a private business to do a thing" - but bakeries have to make cakes for gay weddings - which I'm not opposed to. If the vast majority of tech companies are based in the echo chamber of Silicon Valley, and they're going to ban any thought that falls outside of that narrow range, then political views need to be the next protected class. Yes. An expansion of government powers. An added protected class. Or antitrust can come out of hibernation. Either way.
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rufus_foreman 6y ago
>> Where does that end? Go make your own domain registrar? Go make your own ICANN? Go make your own ISP? Go make your own internet? Go make your own microchips? Correct. DIY.
- typenil 6y ago
  Yeah, let's forget that taxpayers paid for the internet and so much of the internet infrastructure in US. But it's cool to cut off the people who subsidized it.

permille42 6y ago

You don't need Facebook to communicate your ideas to others. You don't need AWS either. AWS is actually a backwards development of technology in my opinion because it is anti-open source. It is quite straightforward to lease your own server and/or build your own and colo. You can even easily setup containers on such, or a cluster of them if you desire. You also don't need a domain name to host a site. Plain IP addresses work fine in many situations. There are plenty of "shady" countries who will let you register DNS and do whatever you want with it. Just look at the underground pirate community. None of this weak censorship by silencing Facebook posts is stopping them. Piracy will continue to the end of time, because if you have a bit of tech skill there is very little that can silence a person on the modern internet. And yes, p2p ( without internet ) file sharing is alive and well. Those in draconian environments engage in it. Swapping 12tb drives is quite effective in sharing data. Own microchips? Yeah we are heading that way. Hence the popularity of Risc-V and various "open hardware". Typically it is sufficient to use your own software stack on existing hardware though. SV execs can't do shit about public opinion or the underground community. The free exchange of information is alive and well. It just doesn't live on Facebook or Parler or any of that crap.

Mountain_Skies 6y ago
>You don't need Facebook to communicate your ideas to others. Interesting, that is the same point conservative judge Robert Bork used to make, and while not the only reason why he was rejected for the Supreme Court, it was certainly a factor. Weird how someone like Bork, who used to be considered on the far fringe of conservativism, is now part of mainstream liberal orthodoxy.
inglor_cz 6y ago
You do not need even electricity. People lived without power for thousands of generations and some still live like that. It still would not be fine if there was a class of outcasts defined by execs of power distribution companies on whim. The "you do not need" standard is a tricky one. Modern civilization is built around a lot of network-like structures. Getting kicked off them is a kind of punishment. We generally have some mechanisms that try to prevent capriciousness in punishment. Would you rather do a year in San Quentin or be completely deplatformed by Big Tech forever? I would probably choose the former. Being prevented, for example, to send any e-mail to anyone with Gmail.com address is a serious problem.
- permille42 6y ago
  I would be delighted to be banned from all technology for eternity. I would wear the ban like a badge of honor and devote my life to the advancement of something more noble such as mathematics.
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    If you are the kind of talent that can make significant contributions alone, that is a viable (and enviable) way of life. But if you need to co-operate, that is really hard to do without tech. I used to do some work in algebra 20 years ago and mathematicians were one of the first branches to network extensively. It happens all too often that the other person who is interested and knowledgeable about the same arcane problem lives several time zones away.
    - permille42 6y ago
      As a child I took math books to bed with me. I only got a single question wrong on the math portion of the SAT, and frankly SAT math is extremely easy. I just wasn't taking it seriously enough. I took Calculus my first semester and scored over 98 on every test. No one else in the class scored above 80 on any of the tests. The teacher was dumbfounded. I, of course, have a degree in mathematics... Undergrad math was... boring. The only reason I didn't continue down the path of high level math is because it isn't profitable. It is also hell on the mind. Few understand that but it is very easy to get lost in a world of math if you are good enough at it. It consumes your entire mind. It is somewhat beautiful in that way, but doesn't lead to one become very balanced as an individual. Cooperation is for pussies. Those who make the biggest difference in history are those who give zero shits about anyone else and devote their lives to furthering what they pursue. Very few teams can hold a candle to a dedicated prodigy. There are these things called books. There are tons of them. They hold far more useful information that can be absorbed very rapidly compared to talking to people. Communicating with people live is... slow... tedious... and unrewarding.

watwut 6y ago

> Then AWS takes down Parlor. And so many on Hacker News rejoice. That is because AWS takedown of Parler is the one that is best argued. Largely due to Amazon having to respond to Parler suing them, but result is pretty convincing document. So you kinda now have to make argument for why Amazon should be forced to continue to host Parler despite all that. > Go make your own AWS" AWS has 30% of market and Oracle have same API. There are options beside do own. Moreover, Parler have Mercers money funding, they are not poor nobodied without resources and backing.

maxerickson 6y ago

There's no mechanism to force a private business to do a thing and the comparison you reach for is totalitarianism. It's incoherent. There probably should be a serious discussion about how access to platforms is mediated, but there's a pretty big chance that you end up asking for an expansion of government powers if you say the companies aren't free to do what they want anymore.

typenil 6y ago
If the US antitrust machine hadn't been asleep at the wheel for a couple decades, it wouldn't be a problem. "There's no mechanism to force a private business to do a thing" - but bakeries have to make cakes for gay weddings - which I'm not opposed to. If the vast majority of tech companies are based in the echo chamber of Silicon Valley, and they're going to ban any thought that falls outside of that narrow range, then political views need to be the next protected class. Yes. An expansion of government powers. An added protected class. Or antitrust can come out of hibernation. Either way.
- deleted 6y ago
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rufus_foreman 6y ago

>> Where does that end? Go make your own domain registrar? Go make your own ICANN? Go make your own ISP? Go make your own internet? Go make your own microchips? Correct. DIY.

typenil 6y ago
Yeah, let's forget that taxpayers paid for the internet and so much of the internet infrastructure in US. But it's cool to cut off the people who subsidized it.