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> and of course see what is meant to be running in production (and run it yourself if you're able to). This comment of yours is only the second time I'm hearin

> and of course see what is meant to be running in production (and run it yourself if you're able to). This comment of yours is only the second time I'm hearing of Matrix (the first time was several days ago, in a bunch of comments on an ASK HN discussing the WA policy announcement). And because of your comment (and the implication that Matrix is something one can run independently in production) I am now perusing matrix.org - thanks for sharing. Also I enjoyed your insight with respect to the Signal dev team and what they're possibly currently frantically busy with. Mind if I ask you, what your thoughts are on the Signal project long-term?

bilal4hmed 6y ago
Read this https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom
- herodoturtle 6y ago
  That was mightily insightful, thanks. From the article you linked: > It’s also true that decentralised systems are harder to evolve than centralised ones - you can’t just push out a given feature with a single app update, but you have to agree and publish a public spec, support incremental migration, and build governance processes and community dynamics which encourage everyone to implement and upgrade. This is hard, but not impossible: we’ve spent loads of time and money on Matrix’s governance model and spec process to get it right. For me it seems to largely come down to a juxtaposition between the above risk (owed to Matrix) and the below risk (owed to Signal). > you end up thoroughly putting all your eggs in one basket, trusting past, present & future Signal to retain its values, stay up and somehow dodge compromise & censorship… despite probably being the single highest value attack target on the ‘net. Definitely something to think deeply about. Might I add, as a complete Matrix newcomer, the description of its decentralised model in that article reminds me a bit of IRC in the 90s - except with solid encryption. It certainly seems to make sense if liberty is one's priority.

bilal4hmed 6y ago

Read this https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom https://matrix.org/blog/2020/01/02/on-privacy-versus-freedom

herodoturtle 6y ago
That was mightily insightful, thanks. From the article you linked: > It’s also true that decentralised systems are harder to evolve than centralised ones - you can’t just push out a given feature with a single app update, but you have to agree and publish a public spec, support incremental migration, and build governance processes and community dynamics which encourage everyone to implement and upgrade. This is hard, but not impossible: we’ve spent loads of time and money on Matrix’s governance model and spec process to get it right. For me it seems to largely come down to a juxtaposition between the above risk (owed to Matrix) and the below risk (owed to Signal). > you end up thoroughly putting all your eggs in one basket, trusting past, present & future Signal to retain its values, stay up and somehow dodge compromise & censorship… despite probably being the single highest value attack target on the ‘net. Definitely something to think deeply about. Might I add, as a complete Matrix newcomer, the description of its decentralised model in that article reminds me a bit of IRC in the 90s - except with solid encryption. It certainly seems to make sense if liberty is one's priority.