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Whilst I really don't enjoy having to make websites compatible with IE (mainly 8 and below), I'm really glad they're sticking with IE as a browser. WebKit seems

Whilst I really don't enjoy having to make websites compatible with IE (mainly 8 and below), I'm really glad they're sticking with IE as a browser. WebKit seems to have a monopoly on phones and so many mobile sites (and tutorials) don't think about other browsers. I'd prefer more phones to ship with Gecko (Firefox), like my Nokia N900 but anything non-WebKit adds to the diversity. Edit: I don't really have anything against WebKit and understand that it makes sense for mobiles as it's easily embedable but the fact that it has a monopoly in the mobile space really gets to me!

yuhong 15y ago
Yep, this release contains IE9 mobile.
Yzupnick 15y ago
Monopolies are ok if they are created and kept through legitimate means. And I think WebKit's monopoly on phones is legitimate and well deserved. If Microsoft put together a comparable engine (and it is very possible they have, I haven't tested it) then I would be happy that there is competition. But diversity for diversity's sake is not a good reason to not use WebKit. In fact it is very possible it would do more harm then good. I am hoping* that Microsoft drops IE (the rendering engine not the browser), and throws it's support behind the Gecko engine. With Microsoft supporting Gecko, and Google and Apple supporting WebKit, we should see nice growth browser's capabilities. *I know this won't happen, but who says a man can't dream.
- kprobst 15y ago
  The issue is not whether the monopoly is good or bad, but rather that its existence creates what is essentially a monoculture. I'd rank that as more of a concern, especially when we're talking about consumer devices.
  - ddagradi 15y ago
    A monoculture where developers aren't hindered by supporting a mediocre browser with a breadth of missing features? Count me in.
    - daeken 15y ago
      You do realize that everyone said this in support of IE6 taking over the market, right? Don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
      - taken11 15y ago
        IE6 is single vendor, single platform, it is closed source, so it does not at all compare to webkit which is cross platform, open source and on top of that multi vendor.
code_duck 15y ago
The WM7 IE version is a little jacked... hopefully Mango's browser is better than IE 7.5 or whatever is in the current release. The last thing I'd be happy about is yet another buggy, poorly updated browser from Microsoft, but if history is any indication that's what they'll be providing.

yuhong 15y ago

Yep, this release contains IE9 mobile.

Yzupnick 15y ago

Monopolies are ok if they are created and kept through legitimate means. And I think WebKit's monopoly on phones is legitimate and well deserved. If Microsoft put together a comparable engine (and it is very possible they have, I haven't tested it) then I would be happy that there is competition. But diversity for diversity's sake is not a good reason to not use WebKit. In fact it is very possible it would do more harm then good. I am hoping* that Microsoft drops IE (the rendering engine not the browser), and throws it's support behind the Gecko engine. With Microsoft supporting Gecko, and Google and Apple supporting WebKit, we should see nice growth browser's capabilities. *I know this won't happen, but who says a man can't dream.

kprobst 15y ago
The issue is not whether the monopoly is good or bad, but rather that its existence creates what is essentially a monoculture. I'd rank that as more of a concern, especially when we're talking about consumer devices.
- ddagradi 15y ago
  A monoculture where developers aren't hindered by supporting a mediocre browser with a breadth of missing features? Count me in.
  - daeken 15y ago
    You do realize that everyone said this in support of IE6 taking over the market, right? Don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
    - taken11 15y ago
      IE6 is single vendor, single platform, it is closed source, so it does not at all compare to webkit which is cross platform, open source and on top of that multi vendor.

code_duck 15y ago

The WM7 IE version is a little jacked... hopefully Mango's browser is better than IE 7.5 or whatever is in the current release. The last thing I'd be happy about is yet another buggy, poorly updated browser from Microsoft, but if history is any indication that's what they'll be providing.