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I never quite understood why an ideology should be except from criticism so long as it be popularly called a religion. Evidently one can insult Rust evangelist
by Blikkentrekker 6y ago
I never quite understood why an ideology should be except from criticism so long as it be popularly called a religion.
Evidently one can insult Rust evangelists, why do many consider the arbitrary classification of “religion” so special? Especially when it seems a common criterion to call something a religion is “at least part of the belief must be provably false.”. — wakarimasen lol.
- Veen 6y agoThe author doesn't criticize an ideology; he insults Christians. I imagine Hacker News would be less tolerant of those remarks if they had referred to Jews or Muslims as "confused zealots".
- asdfv09s9d80fu9 6y agoTrump is an ideology.
- trasz 6y agoThere’s a fundamental difference between insulting a repressed minority, and “insulting” a majority repressing others for religious reasons.
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoWhat is a minority and majority depends on where one lives, of course. And naturally, the moralist is quick to loose such a perspective that not the entire world lives in his own back yard, it seems. — perhaps if he were more aware of how vast and different the world is, he would have been more doubtful of his own moral convictions.
- lostcolony 6y agoI mean...1/3rd the world is Christian. While, of course, you can find specific locations where they aren't the majority, you can also find specific locations, in the US, where white people aren't the majority. That doesn't change the equation when talking about punching up vs punching down. Neither is really relevant to the post; he's clearly using hyperbole to describe Rust zealots in other peoples' minds.
- jejkfmgmgk 6y ago33% is, by definition, a minority.
- M2Ys4U 6y agoThat 33% is a plurality, though.
- naniwaduni 6y agoAnd 1/4 the world is Muslim, which is still almost certainly more than the proportion of the world you'd judge as white!
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoAh yes well, if it work as such then I suppose since Asia is the continent with the plurality number of inhabitants on the planet then we can say all sorts of nasty things about Asians, but about the inhabitant of any other country would be foul play. Somehow, I feel you simply speak of the plurality of your own back yard.
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- Veen 6y agoI suppose that seems reasonable to those who believe an individual’s moral worth is contingent on the ”identity” groups they belong to.
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- cryptoquick 6y agoThe author wasn't asserting Christians and Trump supporters were actually zealots; the author was saying Rust evangelists are often dismissed in the same way, dismissed for being "confused zealots", when in fact, there may actually be some merit to be found. There are certainly things said by Christians and Trump supporters I don't disagree with. That doesn't make me one, but I am an unapologetic Rust evangelist, so...
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoThat seems to be a rather empty difference. — I can criticize Rust evangelicalism, but not Rust avangelicals? And perhaps H.N. would have, but your argument is with me, and not “Hacker News” and I make no such distinction, provided, of course, that by “Jew” you mean “Judaist” and not “person whose maternal parent is a Jew”.
- pjmlp 6y agoAs someone with religious faith I am fine with the author's expression, that is what free speech is all about.