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> I think another take away from this article is “don’t allow users to upload malicious files to your domain” I disagree, at which point did we all accept Goog

> I think another take away from this article is “don’t allow users to upload malicious files to your domain” I disagree, at which point did we all accept Google's role as defacto regulator and arbiter of the Internet? Why should we tacitly accept the constraints they deem as appropriate and modify the way we build the web? In other words, those are our domains, our apps, our systems and we'll do as we please; that includes worrying about content moderation, or not. When and why did we accept google as the Internet's babysitter? Apologies if this sounds aggressive, but your takeaway reflects an appalling and quite fatalistic mindset; one which I sadly believe is increasingly common: big corporations knows best, big corporations say and we do, big corporations lead the way. On the other hand, probably I'm just biased and tired considering how tiresome it's been to explain to my friends and family why Signal is the better alternative after the WhatsApp/Facebook fiasco. /EndRant

alisonkisk 6y ago
Sorry, but you don't get to tell me I am obligated to browse your site without being notified if you have malware.
- arien 6y ago
  Might have, judging from this story.
- joshmanders 6y ago
  Assuming that this site "serving malware" isn't doing it purposely. What if someone made a site that inspected malware and went in depth on how it worked and allowed you to download the malware to inspect yourself so you desire. Google would flag this site as bad and blacklist it, but in reality it's a research site.
  - Blackthorn 6y ago
    There are standardized ways to share malware downloads. Google likely respects them.
    - NavinF 6y ago
      What is that standardized way? Encrypted zip files with the password listed on the website is the easiest one that comes to mind. I wonder if googlebot will some day decrypt those files because a lot of pirated software is distributed in encrypted zip files. Scanning those files for viruses would be pretty useful for the average user. I guess captchas are the only bulletproof solution
      - Blackthorn 6y ago
        Usually people use a zip file with the password "malware".
- madsbuch 6y ago
  You are not obligated to browse anything. In fact, you as a human is obligated to very little. Perhaps keeping yourself alive (which somebody might even oppose as an obligation). If you enter at site that hosts articles on malware and it allows you to download the malware assets to play with for yourself, you should be a fool for not understanding that the site hosts malware and is not adversarial.
hacker_newz 6y ago
When you installed their browser.
- hedora 6y ago
  I didn’t install their browser.
  - vaduz 6y ago
    Your users did decide to use it, though - and this particular feature is one of the reasons why that particular browser if popular. It was one of the major differentiators of the "better" browsers in the sad old IE days. For all you "use Firefox [etc], don't use Chrome" pundits: it also uses Google Safe Browsing [0], and for that matter so does Safari, which may compound it by using Tencent version instead if you happen to be in China [1] [0] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Safe_Browsing https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Safe_Browsing [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675
    - rottingfruit 6y ago
      This is a weak take. Are we saying that any feature built into a web browser is desirable by virtue of the products popularity? 99% of chrome users use it because they recognize the interface from school laptops. Do you really want to live in this world where massive corporations can put whatever they want in their products and the justification is “yeah well people still downloaded it?”
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > 99% of chrome users use it because they recognize the interface from school laptops. The implication that less than 1% of Chrome users are old enough that Chrome didn't exist when they were in school is laughable. Also, if that kind of familiarity rendered feature comparison irrelevant, Mosaic would still have a healthy share of the browser market.
      - vaduz 6y ago

alisonkisk 6y ago

Sorry, but you don't get to tell me I am obligated to browse your site without being notified if you have malware.

arien 6y ago
Might have, judging from this story.
joshmanders 6y ago
Assuming that this site "serving malware" isn't doing it purposely. What if someone made a site that inspected malware and went in depth on how it worked and allowed you to download the malware to inspect yourself so you desire. Google would flag this site as bad and blacklist it, but in reality it's a research site.
- Blackthorn 6y ago
  There are standardized ways to share malware downloads. Google likely respects them.
  - NavinF 6y ago
    What is that standardized way? Encrypted zip files with the password listed on the website is the easiest one that comes to mind. I wonder if googlebot will some day decrypt those files because a lot of pirated software is distributed in encrypted zip files. Scanning those files for viruses would be pretty useful for the average user. I guess captchas are the only bulletproof solution
    - Blackthorn 6y ago
      Usually people use a zip file with the password "malware".
madsbuch 6y ago
You are not obligated to browse anything. In fact, you as a human is obligated to very little. Perhaps keeping yourself alive (which somebody might even oppose as an obligation). If you enter at site that hosts articles on malware and it allows you to download the malware assets to play with for yourself, you should be a fool for not understanding that the site hosts malware and is not adversarial.

hacker_newz 6y ago

When you installed their browser.

hedora 6y ago
I didn’t install their browser.
- vaduz 6y ago
  Your users did decide to use it, though - and this particular feature is one of the reasons why that particular browser if popular. It was one of the major differentiators of the "better" browsers in the sad old IE days. For all you "use Firefox [etc], don't use Chrome" pundits: it also uses Google Safe Browsing [0], and for that matter so does Safari, which may compound it by using Tencent version instead if you happen to be in China [1] [0] https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Safe_Browsing https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Safe_Browsing [1] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210675
  - rottingfruit 6y ago
    This is a weak take. Are we saying that any feature built into a web browser is desirable by virtue of the products popularity? 99% of chrome users use it because they recognize the interface from school laptops. Do you really want to live in this world where massive corporations can put whatever they want in their products and the justification is “yeah well people still downloaded it?”
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > 99% of chrome users use it because they recognize the interface from school laptops. The implication that less than 1% of Chrome users are old enough that Chrome didn't exist when they were in school is laughable. Also, if that kind of familiarity rendered feature comparison irrelevant, Mosaic would still have a healthy share of the browser market.
    - vaduz 6y ago