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Don't you think it's a bit of a apples to oranges comparison, the raiding of the Capitol in an attempt to supposedly kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi and disrup

by loceng 6y ago

Don't you think it's a bit of a apples to oranges comparison, the raiding of the Capitol in an attempt to supposedly kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi and disrupt the election certification - essentially lead by Trump - is different than mass, mostly peaceful protests - that were inflamed by the police? Head on over to http://thedonald.win http://thedonald.win if you want to see the narratives they're believing, I check it out a few times a week, some comments from today: "Remember, it's not over til it's over," "Follow Trump's lead," etc - they don't understand, nor do they care to understand the election process - that there are poll watchers from any party that are present at the counting, they don't care to reason to understand they lost the election. They also have bought into a whole bunch of different conspiracy theories - they consider the Democrats as tyrants when it's Trump who's clearly attempting a coup to become a tyrant, suggesting maybe he'll even be President for 3 terms, etc; there's countless proof points relating to his behaviour that he's a tyrant wannabe.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
I don’t like Trump, didn’t vote for him, and want him to go back to the reality TV fantasyland from whence he came. But the “counternarrative”, displayed aptly by your comment here, strikes me as very hypocritical and not attempting to understand the Trump supporters’ narrative.
- loceng 6y ago
  You're assuming I don't understand the Trump supporters' narrative or where it comes from. There's plenty of proof points that that multiple people at the riot, infiltration of the Capitol, was planning more than just breaking shit and disrupting it; there are also anonymous FBI leaks, maybe they're not true - aside from the truth of people at the riot chanting "Hang Mike Pence" - that Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi were targets to assassinate; https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-01-15/capitol-rioters-meant-to-capture-and-assassinate-officials-federal-prosecutors-say https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-01-15/capitol-ri... The cause is Trump et al's rhetoric of lies to rally his base, along with the problem with the political system and mainstream media - more specifically, the duopoly and how mainstream media conglomerates that perpetuate whatever industrial complex fed narratives for "their side" want, leading to only two core mainstream narratives for either the Democrats of Republicans. Andrew Yang's main policy proposals would break apart the duopoly - expanding the narratives - and take power away from the current mainstream media companies: - Freedom Dividend/UBI so people can think clearly with less stress, - Ranked Choice Voting so people aren't wasting their vote and don't feel obligated to vote one of two incumbents, - Democracy Dollars to wash out lobbyist money from industrial complexes/bad actors by a factor of 8:1 (via $100/year to every eligible voter to contribute to politician of choice), - Journalism Dollars - same idea, each citizen can "vote" with money allocated to them for journalism - local or national to cover what they have interests in knowing about. I think I'm forgetting another core policy - but also he wants to implement a government option for healthcare similar to "Medicare For All" - but not killing off private insurance due to the consequences of disrupting that industry immediately - will all strengthen Democracy because it's strengthening, taking care of, people.
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop I can’t really respond to your comment if you just write a block or rambling text that has little connection to anything.
    - loceng 6y ago
      Hilarious way to cop out of responding to well explained points and reasoning, and if that's overwhelming to you - I guess you've never written or read an essay before. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have if anything doesn't make sense or confuses you. If you felt overwhelmed by everything I said, you could also just read it slower - if you even bothered to read it before responding. It sounds like you don't put much effort into honest conversation though. I added some spacing to my previous comment, hope that helps you be less overwhelmed.

by loceng 6y ago

ceilingcorner 6y ago

I don’t like Trump, didn’t vote for him, and want him to go back to the reality TV fantasyland from whence he came. But the “counternarrative”, displayed aptly by your comment here, strikes me as very hypocritical and not attempting to understand the Trump supporters’ narrative.

loceng 6y ago
You're assuming I don't understand the Trump supporters' narrative or where it comes from. There's plenty of proof points that that multiple people at the riot, infiltration of the Capitol, was planning more than just breaking shit and disrupting it; there are also anonymous FBI leaks, maybe they're not true - aside from the truth of people at the riot chanting "Hang Mike Pence" - that Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi were targets to assassinate; https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-01-15/capitol-rioters-meant-to-capture-and-assassinate-officials-federal-prosecutors-say https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-01-15/capitol-ri... The cause is Trump et al's rhetoric of lies to rally his base, along with the problem with the political system and mainstream media - more specifically, the duopoly and how mainstream media conglomerates that perpetuate whatever industrial complex fed narratives for "their side" want, leading to only two core mainstream narratives for either the Democrats of Republicans. Andrew Yang's main policy proposals would break apart the duopoly - expanding the narratives - and take power away from the current mainstream media companies: - Freedom Dividend/UBI so people can think clearly with less stress, - Ranked Choice Voting so people aren't wasting their vote and don't feel obligated to vote one of two incumbents, - Democracy Dollars to wash out lobbyist money from industrial complexes/bad actors by a factor of 8:1 (via $100/year to every eligible voter to contribute to politician of choice), - Journalism Dollars - same idea, each citizen can "vote" with money allocated to them for journalism - local or national to cover what they have interests in knowing about. I think I'm forgetting another core policy - but also he wants to implement a government option for healthcare similar to "Medicare For All" - but not killing off private insurance due to the consequences of disrupting that industry immediately - will all strengthen Democracy because it's strengthening, taking care of, people.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop I can’t really respond to your comment if you just write a block or rambling text that has little connection to anything.
  - loceng 6y ago
    Hilarious way to cop out of responding to well explained points and reasoning, and if that's overwhelming to you - I guess you've never written or read an essay before. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have if anything doesn't make sense or confuses you. If you felt overwhelmed by everything I said, you could also just read it slower - if you even bothered to read it before responding. It sounds like you don't put much effort into honest conversation though. I added some spacing to my previous comment, hope that helps you be less overwhelmed.