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It was mostly tounge in cheek. That's a bad comparison. The people storming the capitol didn't have any real reason to. Look at the actions of John Brown durin

It was mostly tounge in cheek. That's a bad comparison. The people storming the capitol didn't have any real reason to. Look at the actions of John Brown during the 1800s for a mostly positive example! The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. If the insurrectionists used a fire extinguisher it probably doesn't matter if they had guns or not, since you can create mayham in other ways esp en masse. Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue. > the national security apparatuss is slowly trying to figureee out how to do an inaugurationn without it becomingg a mass shooting. You can't legally carry a gun into DC in the first place, I highly doubt even before now that they didn't screen for them at the inauguration.

Fanch22 6y ago
> The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. Yes! And the roots of the Black Panther movement were using open carry to intimidate police officers into behaving. It was really interesting to me to learn about the Black Panther movement and story, and i think BLM activists should all read historians point of view about what part of the BP movement actually scared Hoover, and implement the same things. And hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around I'm not pro-gun at all in my country because it isn't needed imho, but i think until the US solve its social class issues, open carry is needed.
- pjc50 6y ago
  > hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-michael-brown-809407/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-d...
- hemloc_io 6y ago
  Cool to see someone else is as interested in the story as I am! I think you're right, and there are many within the BLM movement who are doing exactly what you describe. Much like any large social movement there's a bunch of different ppl doing a bunch of different things, and with various levels of engagement and seriousness.
pjc50 6y ago
> The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. [citation needed]; I would be particularly interested to see if you can find any evidence of the NRA actually supporting the Black Panthers, or the Black Panthers "founding" bits of the NRA. > Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue I don't think the two are clearly seperable any more. The ideas are being pushed by the same people on the same "news" networks. Neither can be disentangled from white supremacy. It's not an easily settleable question but I think the idea of a constitutional right to armed revolution is itself delusional!
- hemloc_io 6y ago
  Here's a whole podcast for ya, it's a good listen. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolabmoreperfect/episodes/gun-show https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolabmoreperfect/epi... The idea is seperable, I'm not sure if you're American or from what part of the country you're from, but gun culture extends beyond Fox News, Qanon, and conservatism in general. Lots of people in Michigan, Vermont, and Washington have guns. I also don't think you know what you're talking about with White supremacy, generally gun control has been passed specifically to disarm minorities. For e.g. the time the NRA and Ronald Regan teamed up to pass gun control. [0]. Much like freedom of speech generally giving the majority absolute power, like a monopoly on violence, ends badly for the minority. Everyone has the right to an armed revolution, under the right circumstances, regardless of the second amendment. Read the first paragrph on the declaration of independence.(Which basically says we're doing an armed rebellion bc of the right circumstances) https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcrip... [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_raid_on_Harpers_Ferry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_raid_on_Harpe...

Fanch22 6y ago

> The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. Yes! And the roots of the Black Panther movement were using open carry to intimidate police officers into behaving. It was really interesting to me to learn about the Black Panther movement and story, and i think BLM activists should all read historians point of view about what part of the BP movement actually scared Hoover, and implement the same things. And hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around I'm not pro-gun at all in my country because it isn't needed imho, but i think until the US solve its social class issues, open carry is needed.

pjc50 6y ago
> hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-michael-brown-809407/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-d...
hemloc_io 6y ago
Cool to see someone else is as interested in the story as I am! I think you're right, and there are many within the BLM movement who are doing exactly what you describe. Much like any large social movement there's a bunch of different ppl doing a bunch of different things, and with various levels of engagement and seriousness.

pjc50 6y ago

> The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. [citation needed]; I would be particularly interested to see if you can find any evidence of the NRA actually supporting the Black Panthers, or the Black Panthers "founding" bits of the NRA. > Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue I don't think the two are clearly seperable any more. The ideas are being pushed by the same people on the same "news" networks. Neither can be disentangled from white supremacy. It's not an easily settleable question but I think the idea of a constitutional right to armed revolution is itself delusional!

hemloc_io 6y ago
Here's a whole podcast for ya, it's a good listen. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolabmoreperfect/episodes/gun-show https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolabmoreperfect/epi... The idea is seperable, I'm not sure if you're American or from what part of the country you're from, but gun culture extends beyond Fox News, Qanon, and conservatism in general. Lots of people in Michigan, Vermont, and Washington have guns. I also don't think you know what you're talking about with White supremacy, generally gun control has been passed specifically to disarm minorities. For e.g. the time the NRA and Ronald Regan teamed up to pass gun control. [0]. Much like freedom of speech generally giving the majority absolute power, like a monopoly on violence, ends badly for the minority. Everyone has the right to an armed revolution, under the right circumstances, regardless of the second amendment. Read the first paragrph on the declaration of independence.(Which basically says we're doing an armed rebellion bc of the right circumstances) https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcrip... [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_raid_on_Harpers_Ferry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_raid_on_Harpe...