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Airbyte: Simple and extensible open-source EL(T)

68 points by hunvreus 6y ago

laichzeit0 6y ago
Is this meant as a free version of say DataFactory/FiveTran? I’m always interested in how these products do the change tracking and incremental updates. FiveTran is seamless, DF, more manual configuration. I see they don’t even support incremental updates for MSSQL/PostgreSQL so I’m wondering who would be using this tool?
- sdepablos 6y ago
  Sounds kind of strange not having incremental replication, it would make no sense for an ETL tool. In fact the documentation for PostgreSQL [1] is somehow contradictory at it both states "Incremental sync (copying only the data that has changed) for this source is coming soon" but also "Feature: Incremental - Append Sync / Supported: Yes" [1] https://docs.airbyte.io/integrations/sources/postgres https://docs.airbyte.io/integrations/sources/postgres
  - jeanlaf 6y ago
    (Airbyte engineer) Agreed. Thanks for notifying us about that. We fixed it. We started by supporting only full refresh at the very start, as it was easier to support more connectors, but have been ramping up incremental across all the sources for a month now. Incremental should be supported for all sources within a few weeks.
- sherifnada 6y ago
  Hi, Airybte engineer here! We do support incremental updates for MSSQL & Postgres -- I updated the docs to make this clear. More broadly as an ELT tool, Airbyte is focused on supporting the long tail of integrations. The number of data silos is increasing rapidly, and it's intractable for a single engineering team or company to integrate with them all. So as an OSS tool, Airbyte provides a core platform for replicating data (e.g: a UI, scheduling, logging, state management, etc..) and the most popular connectors out of the box, then gets out of the way of its users. If you need a connector you need that Airbyte doesn't already provide, you can implement a Docker image which conforms to the Airbyte protocol, then start using it in your Airbyte instance without ever needing to go through us (Although many users do end up contributing their connectors back to the core codebase).
xupybd 6y ago
I've found small scripts do a great job with ETL. Run by cron and log to text seems to do the job. What's the advantages in using a large tool like this?
- markmacardle 6y ago
  It's intended for syncing data sources to a data warehouse for analysis. Even if you're only doing one data source, if you want analysis to be easy later you'll likely want to sync all fields available from the api (as you probably don't know what fields are of interest before analysis). If you imagine doing this for Stripe say, there's a huge amount of fields available in different objects (charges, invoices, subscriptions etc) and you need to add these as columns to your relation database of a data warehouse. Unnesting may also be needed. That's very tedious work and on top of it you need to run, monitor and maintain the extraction process. Even a small company could easily have 10+ data sources containing dozens of tables that they want to sync to a warehouse so this quickly becomes unmanageable. Hence companies like Stitchdata, Fivetran and now Airbyte now selling it as a service.
- forgetfulness 6y ago
  It's a bit unclear on what the scope of this tool is. But there are a couple of new classes of tools for ETL/ELT or data engineering as it's called now. There's the "Data Integration Tools" like Fivetran, Stitch, and this. They are collections of connectors that they have coded to ease ingesting data from lots of different database products and stores to another. That's valuable, I wouldn't start writing my own script to pull changes from my RDBMS' WAL to the data warehouse because it's complicated, and if someone can pull those JSON files from whatever cloud storage for me it's good because it's too simple to waste time on. Then there's DBT and Dataform, those are orchestration tools and development environments all in one. When you start splitting your scripts (SQL queries in this case) in stages either for ease of understanding or efficiency, you'll want to see the dependencies laid out and having them execute in order. They also provide (git) version control, so it makes it a breeze for engineers to manage the pipeline like they would with other software assets, and you can get people from other backgrounds contributing in a more engineering-like workflow, talking about analysts who devise business dashboards and such.
sdepablos 6y ago
I saw this project a few months ago and I'm really surprised how fast they've been adding new connectors [1]. I was initially a little doubtful about them implementing their own protocol [2] instead of using Singer [3], already OOS, but it looks like it panned out for them. In fact I've been using Stitch Data for a couple of years and I've find myself "fighting" with their support team about bugs I think we're Singer related, mainly with DDL commands. [1] https://docs.airbyte.io/changelog/connectors https://docs.airbyte.io/changelog/connectors [2] https://airbyte.io/articles/data-engineering-thoughts/why-you-should-not-build-your-data-pipeline-on-top-of-singer/ https://airbyte.io/articles/data-engineering-thoughts/why-yo... [3] https://www.singer.io/ https://www.singer.io/
- glogla 6y ago
  If you don't mind me asking, how does Stitch scale? We're currently using bespoke Spark-based ETL tool because we need to move like 2 TB/day from various place, especially legacy system that don't make incremental data movement practical. How does Stitch even run, all SaaS in Stich Cloud or something? Thanks!
  - sdepablos 6y ago
    Pure SaaS. Check their pricing [1], as is row based and depending on how much data you need to move it can easily go out of budget ;) [1] https://www.stitchdata.com/pricing/ https://www.stitchdata.com/pricing/
    - glogla 6y ago
      Right. Not something we can use then, since we can't have our data moving through public internet for legal reasons. Thanks for the answer.
dal 6y ago
Just to clarify, this is not a fully open source project. More like freemium or just enough for the community to contribute and maintian free connectors which make it usefull. If you want security, you have to pay. There are non-free parts to it that you are not allowed to use. And contributing these features would probably not be allowed.
- sherifnada 6y ago
  Hi, Airbyte engineer here. All connectors and the core functionality of Airbyte will _always_ be open source and free to use. You will always be able to download and operate an instance of Airbyte, containing all connectors and ELT features (whether for personal projects or business operations in your company) for free. However, there are some things that we might offer as a monetized product in the future, such as: * enterprise compliance requirements (E.g SOC2) * SSO * Hosting Management Hope this clarifies the direction we’re taking.
  - dal 6y ago
    No, this was exactly my point. It is a company behind and not a foundation backed by multiple interests. So profit is the main driver. You want to have it open enough so you get community maintained connectors. This pattern is common. If somebody were to implement those features you described there and commit to the repo under the BSD license would you merge it?
    - jeanlaf 6y ago
      In all honesty, in that particular case, we'd honestly think about merging it. If that happens, we're facing 2 options. Either we merge it, and at that point the real business model for our business is about hosting, management, support, SLAs, etc. Or we don't, and that contributor could very well publish it in another repo. And then, what's the point? We call this type of business model open core. It is the same one as Confluent or DBT. Without those companies, there would have been nobody to create those open source projects and get them to a place of value for a maximum number of companies. Kafka's impact goes well beyond Confluent's customer base. Similarly, our goal is to solve the data integration problem for every company or project, even if we only convert a small % of them as customers for us. That's why we won't be focusing on any premium features for at least a year and possibly 2. Hope that makes sense to you.
spacerocking 6y ago
What's EL?
- vlahmot 6y ago
  Extract and load. It’s a variation of ETL where you push the Transformation(T) step into the warehouse as opposed to doing the T out of band in code. This allows you to retain the data as raw as possible and empowers your analytics teams to move faster by not having to wait for engineers to transform the data into a usable form.

68 points by hunvreus 6y ago

Is this meant as a free version of say DataFactory/FiveTran? I’m always interested in how these products do the change tracking and incremental updates. FiveTran is seamless, DF, more manual configuration. I see they don’t even support incremental updates for MSSQL/PostgreSQL so I’m wondering who would be using this tool?

sdepablos 6y ago
Sounds kind of strange not having incremental replication, it would make no sense for an ETL tool. In fact the documentation for PostgreSQL [1] is somehow contradictory at it both states "Incremental sync (copying only the data that has changed) for this source is coming soon" but also "Feature: Incremental - Append Sync / Supported: Yes" [1] https://docs.airbyte.io/integrations/sources/postgres https://docs.airbyte.io/integrations/sources/postgres
- jeanlaf 6y ago
  (Airbyte engineer) Agreed. Thanks for notifying us about that. We fixed it. We started by supporting only full refresh at the very start, as it was easier to support more connectors, but have been ramping up incremental across all the sources for a month now. Incremental should be supported for all sources within a few weeks.
sherifnada 6y ago
Hi, Airybte engineer here! We do support incremental updates for MSSQL & Postgres -- I updated the docs to make this clear. More broadly as an ELT tool, Airbyte is focused on supporting the long tail of integrations. The number of data silos is increasing rapidly, and it's intractable for a single engineering team or company to integrate with them all. So as an OSS tool, Airbyte provides a core platform for replicating data (e.g: a UI, scheduling, logging, state management, etc..) and the most popular connectors out of the box, then gets out of the way of its users. If you need a connector you need that Airbyte doesn't already provide, you can implement a Docker image which conforms to the Airbyte protocol, then start using it in your Airbyte instance without ever needing to go through us (Although many users do end up contributing their connectors back to the core codebase).

xupybd 6y ago

I've found small scripts do a great job with ETL. Run by cron and log to text seems to do the job. What's the advantages in using a large tool like this?

markmacardle 6y ago
It's intended for syncing data sources to a data warehouse for analysis. Even if you're only doing one data source, if you want analysis to be easy later you'll likely want to sync all fields available from the api (as you probably don't know what fields are of interest before analysis). If you imagine doing this for Stripe say, there's a huge amount of fields available in different objects (charges, invoices, subscriptions etc) and you need to add these as columns to your relation database of a data warehouse. Unnesting may also be needed. That's very tedious work and on top of it you need to run, monitor and maintain the extraction process. Even a small company could easily have 10+ data sources containing dozens of tables that they want to sync to a warehouse so this quickly becomes unmanageable. Hence companies like Stitchdata, Fivetran and now Airbyte now selling it as a service.
forgetfulness 6y ago
It's a bit unclear on what the scope of this tool is. But there are a couple of new classes of tools for ETL/ELT or data engineering as it's called now. There's the "Data Integration Tools" like Fivetran, Stitch, and this. They are collections of connectors that they have coded to ease ingesting data from lots of different database products and stores to another. That's valuable, I wouldn't start writing my own script to pull changes from my RDBMS' WAL to the data warehouse because it's complicated, and if someone can pull those JSON files from whatever cloud storage for me it's good because it's too simple to waste time on. Then there's DBT and Dataform, those are orchestration tools and development environments all in one. When you start splitting your scripts (SQL queries in this case) in stages either for ease of understanding or efficiency, you'll want to see the dependencies laid out and having them execute in order. They also provide (git) version control, so it makes it a breeze for engineers to manage the pipeline like they would with other software assets, and you can get people from other backgrounds contributing in a more engineering-like workflow, talking about analysts who devise business dashboards and such.

sdepablos 6y ago

I saw this project a few months ago and I'm really surprised how fast they've been adding new connectors [1]. I was initially a little doubtful about them implementing their own protocol [2] instead of using Singer [3], already OOS, but it looks like it panned out for them. In fact I've been using Stitch Data for a couple of years and I've find myself "fighting" with their support team about bugs I think we're Singer related, mainly with DDL commands. [1] https://docs.airbyte.io/changelog/connectors https://docs.airbyte.io/changelog/connectors [2] https://airbyte.io/articles/data-engineering-thoughts/why-you-should-not-build-your-data-pipeline-on-top-of-singer/ https://airbyte.io/articles/data-engineering-thoughts/why-yo... [3] https://www.singer.io/ https://www.singer.io/

glogla 6y ago
If you don't mind me asking, how does Stitch scale? We're currently using bespoke Spark-based ETL tool because we need to move like 2 TB/day from various place, especially legacy system that don't make incremental data movement practical. How does Stitch even run, all SaaS in Stich Cloud or something? Thanks!
- sdepablos 6y ago
  Pure SaaS. Check their pricing [1], as is row based and depending on how much data you need to move it can easily go out of budget ;) [1] https://www.stitchdata.com/pricing/ https://www.stitchdata.com/pricing/
  - glogla 6y ago
    Right. Not something we can use then, since we can't have our data moving through public internet for legal reasons. Thanks for the answer.

dal 6y ago

Just to clarify, this is not a fully open source project. More like freemium or just enough for the community to contribute and maintian free connectors which make it usefull. If you want security, you have to pay. There are non-free parts to it that you are not allowed to use. And contributing these features would probably not be allowed.

sherifnada 6y ago
Hi, Airbyte engineer here. All connectors and the core functionality of Airbyte will _always_ be open source and free to use. You will always be able to download and operate an instance of Airbyte, containing all connectors and ELT features (whether for personal projects or business operations in your company) for free. However, there are some things that we might offer as a monetized product in the future, such as: * enterprise compliance requirements (E.g SOC2) * SSO * Hosting Management Hope this clarifies the direction we’re taking.
- dal 6y ago
  No, this was exactly my point. It is a company behind and not a foundation backed by multiple interests. So profit is the main driver. You want to have it open enough so you get community maintained connectors. This pattern is common. If somebody were to implement those features you described there and commit to the repo under the BSD license would you merge it?
  - jeanlaf 6y ago
    In all honesty, in that particular case, we'd honestly think about merging it. If that happens, we're facing 2 options. Either we merge it, and at that point the real business model for our business is about hosting, management, support, SLAs, etc. Or we don't, and that contributor could very well publish it in another repo. And then, what's the point? We call this type of business model open core. It is the same one as Confluent or DBT. Without those companies, there would have been nobody to create those open source projects and get them to a place of value for a maximum number of companies. Kafka's impact goes well beyond Confluent's customer base. Similarly, our goal is to solve the data integration problem for every company or project, even if we only convert a small % of them as customers for us. That's why we won't be focusing on any premium features for at least a year and possibly 2. Hope that makes sense to you.

spacerocking 6y ago

What's EL?

vlahmot 6y ago
Extract and load. It’s a variation of ETL where you push the Transformation(T) step into the warehouse as opposed to doing the T out of band in code. This allows you to retain the data as raw as possible and empowers your analytics teams to move faster by not having to wait for engineers to transform the data into a usable form.