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Svelte is a a breath of fresh air because of its simplicity, not because it's bundle size (which is a bonus). It's especially easy to get up and running and th

Svelte is a a breath of fresh air because of its simplicity, not because it's bundle size (which is a bonus). It's especially easy to get up and running and the documentation is great. React/Vue/Angular you have to learn the build system as well as the ins and outs of the framework, and there are too many opinionated ways of getting started.

preommr 6y ago
How is this complicated: ``` <script src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/vue@2.6.12/dist/vue.js"></script> https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/vue@2.6.12/dist/vue.js"></scrip... var app = new Vue({ el: '#app', template: "{{message}}" data: { message: 'Hello Vue!' } }) ``` A lot of the build problems with react/vue also exist with svelte. In fact it's even worst with svelte because it's compiled only (which is it's unique selling point) whereas vue can be used in a much more progressive manner. React is a little bit harder because of jsx, but it's still not that much more complicated. Build-wise, parcel supports jsx/vue files out of the box. Plus React/vue both have cli tools that I don't like and wouldn't recommend, but are super easy to get started with. And this all comes with the giant caveat that react/vue make progress which can lead to confusing versions. Svelte is a lot younger (kind of, it came out a few years back, so idk) so it hasn't had to cross that bridge yet. And even then, there was the confusion with Sapper. I highly doubt that svelte is going to be immune from the fast-paced nature of these frameworks.
- turtlebits 6y ago
  While that works, you won't get very far without having to switch over to a build system, then learn how to configure/use that. Look at VueJS and React installation pages and it's easy to see the problem with modern frameworks. https://v3.vuejs.org/guide/installation.html#release-notes https://v3.vuejs.org/guide/installation.html#release-notes https://reactjs.org/docs/add-react-to-a-website.html https://reactjs.org/docs/add-react-to-a-website.html
noir_lord 6y ago
Used vue for a few years then new place was svelte, I like it it but not because of the simplicity (or more because the simplicity that comes from it's killer feature), I like it because it's compiled. So a lot of the abstractions that make life pleasant simply go away. The in-browser dev tools (svelte tools) lag far behind vue dev tools but it's newer.

preommr 6y ago

How is this complicated: ``` <script src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/vue@2.6.12/dist/vue.js"></script> https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/vue@2.6.12/dist/vue.js"></scrip... var app = new Vue({ el: '#app', template: "{{message}}" data: { message: 'Hello Vue!' } }) ``` A lot of the build problems with react/vue also exist with svelte. In fact it's even worst with svelte because it's compiled only (which is it's unique selling point) whereas vue can be used in a much more progressive manner. React is a little bit harder because of jsx, but it's still not that much more complicated. Build-wise, parcel supports jsx/vue files out of the box. Plus React/vue both have cli tools that I don't like and wouldn't recommend, but are super easy to get started with. And this all comes with the giant caveat that react/vue make progress which can lead to confusing versions. Svelte is a lot younger (kind of, it came out a few years back, so idk) so it hasn't had to cross that bridge yet. And even then, there was the confusion with Sapper. I highly doubt that svelte is going to be immune from the fast-paced nature of these frameworks.

turtlebits 6y ago
While that works, you won't get very far without having to switch over to a build system, then learn how to configure/use that. Look at VueJS and React installation pages and it's easy to see the problem with modern frameworks. https://v3.vuejs.org/guide/installation.html#release-notes https://v3.vuejs.org/guide/installation.html#release-notes https://reactjs.org/docs/add-react-to-a-website.html https://reactjs.org/docs/add-react-to-a-website.html

noir_lord 6y ago

Used vue for a few years then new place was svelte, I like it it but not because of the simplicity (or more because the simplicity that comes from it's killer feature), I like it because it's compiled. So a lot of the abstractions that make life pleasant simply go away. The in-browser dev tools (svelte tools) lag far behind vue dev tools but it's newer.