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The US military has not done particularly well in Iraq/Afghanistan and esp Vietnam. There are a bunch of reasons personally. Protecting yourself + your proper

The US military has not done particularly well in Iraq/Afghanistan and esp Vietnam. There are a bunch of reasons personally. Protecting yourself + your property. Outside of a city, good luck getting the police to come to your house. Where I used to live they would take at least 20 minutes and it wasn't particularly rural. If you're in actual middle of nowhere I'm sure it's even worse. Hunting + fun. Freedom, I'd say our gun culture is engrained in individualism and property rights. Seems like a celebration of that. (Unlike somewhere like Switzerland where it might come for a sense of collectivism) And obviously to scare the govt into behaving. American gun culture is definitely a complicated beast though! If you're interested generally ppl are friendly and helpful, regardless of stereotypes.

pjc50 6y ago
> And obviously to scare the govt into behaving. Everyone still deploying this argument like people didn't storm the Capitol on the 6th. In that incident, the insurrectionists didn't have guns but instead beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher. This line of reasoning is why the Capitol is full of national guard sleeping on the floor at the moment, and the national security apparatus is slowly trying to figure out how to do an inauguration without it becoming a mass shooting.
- hemloc_io 6y ago
  It was mostly tounge in cheek. That's a bad comparison. The people storming the capitol didn't have any real reason to. Look at the actions of John Brown during the 1800s for a mostly positive example! The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. If the insurrectionists used a fire extinguisher it probably doesn't matter if they had guns or not, since you can create mayham in other ways esp en masse. Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue. > the national security apparatuss is slowly trying to figureee out how to do an inaugurationn without it becomingg a mass shooting. You can't legally carry a gun into DC in the first place, I highly doubt even before now that they didn't screen for them at the inauguration.
  - Fanch22 6y ago
    > The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. Yes! And the roots of the Black Panther movement were using open carry to intimidate police officers into behaving. It was really interesting to me to learn about the Black Panther movement and story, and i think BLM activists should all read historians point of view about what part of the BP movement actually scared Hoover, and implement the same things. And hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around I'm not pro-gun at all in my country because it isn't needed imho, but i think until the US solve its social class issues, open carry is needed.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      > hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-michael-brown-809407/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-d...
    - hemloc_io 6y ago
      Cool to see someone else is as interested in the story as I am! I think you're right, and there are many within the BLM movement who are doing exactly what you describe. Much like any large social movement there's a bunch of different ppl doing a bunch of different things, and with various levels of engagement and seriousness.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    > The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. [citation needed]; I would be particularly interested to see if you can find any evidence of the NRA actually supporting the Black Panthers, or the Black Panthers "founding" bits of the NRA. > Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue I don't think the two are clearly seperable any more. The ideas are being pushed by the same people on the same "news" networks. Neither can be disentangled from white supremacy. It's not an easily settleable question but I think the idea of a constitutional right to armed revolution is itself delusional!
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > In that incident, the insurrectionists didn't have guns Well, except the ones that did, hence the firearms charges.
pluto9 6y ago
> Outside of a city, good luck getting the police to come to your house. Where I used to live they would take at least 20 minutes and it wasn't particularly rural. Even living in the city doesn't necessarily help. I once called the police because a guy was in my apartment complex looking for me with a gun. It took them 45 minutes to arrive, and this was in the city only a mile and a half from the nearest police station. It was pretty clear to me after they arrived that since I lived in a bad neighborhood, they didn't want to deal with the situation. They figured they could wait, let whatever was going to happen happen, and then roll in and take statements.

pjc50 6y ago

> And obviously to scare the govt into behaving. Everyone still deploying this argument like people didn't storm the Capitol on the 6th. In that incident, the insurrectionists didn't have guns but instead beat a cop to death with a fire extinguisher. This line of reasoning is why the Capitol is full of national guard sleeping on the floor at the moment, and the national security apparatus is slowly trying to figure out how to do an inauguration without it becoming a mass shooting.

hemloc_io 6y ago
It was mostly tounge in cheek. That's a bad comparison. The people storming the capitol didn't have any real reason to. Look at the actions of John Brown during the 1800s for a mostly positive example! The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. If the insurrectionists used a fire extinguisher it probably doesn't matter if they had guns or not, since you can create mayham in other ways esp en masse. Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue. > the national security apparatuss is slowly trying to figureee out how to do an inaugurationn without it becomingg a mass shooting. You can't legally carry a gun into DC in the first place, I highly doubt even before now that they didn't screen for them at the inauguration.
- Fanch22 6y ago
  > The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. Yes! And the roots of the Black Panther movement were using open carry to intimidate police officers into behaving. It was really interesting to me to learn about the Black Panther movement and story, and i think BLM activists should all read historians point of view about what part of the BP movement actually scared Hoover, and implement the same things. And hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around I'm not pro-gun at all in my country because it isn't needed imho, but i think until the US solve its social class issues, open carry is needed.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    > hope that the next Fred Hampton won't get assassinated this time around https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-death-mystery-black-lives-matter-michael-brown-809407/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ferguson-d...
  - hemloc_io 6y ago
    Cool to see someone else is as interested in the story as I am! I think you're right, and there are many within the BLM movement who are doing exactly what you describe. Much like any large social movement there's a bunch of different ppl doing a bunch of different things, and with various levels of engagement and seriousness.
- pjc50 6y ago
  > The roots of the modern NRA were actually founded by Black Panthers attempting to defend their communities. [citation needed]; I would be particularly interested to see if you can find any evidence of the NRA actually supporting the Black Panthers, or the Black Panthers "founding" bits of the NRA. > Maybe American gun culture isn't to blame for our current crisis, if guns weren't involved? I'd think their mass delusion would be a bigger issue I don't think the two are clearly seperable any more. The ideas are being pushed by the same people on the same "news" networks. Neither can be disentangled from white supremacy. It's not an easily settleable question but I think the idea of a constitutional right to armed revolution is itself delusional!
dragonwriter 6y ago
> In that incident, the insurrectionists didn't have guns Well, except the ones that did, hence the firearms charges.

pluto9 6y ago

> Outside of a city, good luck getting the police to come to your house. Where I used to live they would take at least 20 minutes and it wasn't particularly rural. Even living in the city doesn't necessarily help. I once called the police because a guy was in my apartment complex looking for me with a gun. It took them 45 minutes to arrive, and this was in the city only a mile and a half from the nearest police station. It was pretty clear to me after they arrived that since I lived in a bad neighborhood, they didn't want to deal with the situation. They figured they could wait, let whatever was going to happen happen, and then roll in and take statements.