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Which matters more: rational minds, or truth?

smrk007 6y ago
Obviously both are important, but I would at least thing that approaching an issue from a rational mind (not angry, etc.) would help one arrive at truth much more quickly.
- smitty1e 6y ago
  I'm seeing large chunks of "rational" people avert their gaze from consideration of "truth", and the fallout promises to be ugly.
buffaloo 6y ago
In a democracy, neither. It’s consensus, or at least a critical mass of acquiescence. Rationality or truth haven’t any part in it.
- kyrra 6y ago
  The US isn't a democracy though...
ardy42 6y ago
>> Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has failed to facilitate rational discussion. > Which matters more: rational minds, or truth? That question is based on a false premise. Irrational minds aren't going to arrive at truth through their own processes, except by accident. And "free expression of all ideas through current means" hasn't allowed the truth to prevail, either. It's allowed even blatant, meritless lies such as QAnon and "Stop the Steal" to become widespread and influential, supported by a whole constellation of other more subtle lies.
- smitty1e 6y ago
  > meritless lies such as ..."Stop the Steal" I sincerely hope to see this election put to a thorough legal test after the inauguration, because I'm falling short of agreement with you here.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    >> meritless lies such as ..."Stop the Steal" > I sincerely hope to see this election put to a thorough legal test after the inauguration, because I'm falling short of agreement with you here. Why? It was already heavily scrutinized and no problems where found, and certainly none that would change the outcome in any way. Also, it's clear that the main (perhaps only) reason this election was challenged was to assuage the fragile ego of an insecure man with a gift for demagoguery, a man who apparently has always used "loser" as the ultimate insult and cannot tolerate being one.

Obviously both are important, but I would at least thing that approaching an issue from a rational mind (not angry, etc.) would help one arrive at truth much more quickly.

smitty1e 6y ago
I'm seeing large chunks of "rational" people avert their gaze from consideration of "truth", and the fallout promises to be ugly.

buffaloo 6y ago

In a democracy, neither. It’s consensus, or at least a critical mass of acquiescence. Rationality or truth haven’t any part in it.

kyrra 6y ago
The US isn't a democracy though...

ardy42 6y ago

>> Has the free expression of all ideas through current means allowed rational minds to prevail? It seems that the status quo has failed to facilitate rational discussion. > Which matters more: rational minds, or truth? That question is based on a false premise. Irrational minds aren't going to arrive at truth through their own processes, except by accident. And "free expression of all ideas through current means" hasn't allowed the truth to prevail, either. It's allowed even blatant, meritless lies such as QAnon and "Stop the Steal" to become widespread and influential, supported by a whole constellation of other more subtle lies.

smitty1e 6y ago
> meritless lies such as ..."Stop the Steal" I sincerely hope to see this election put to a thorough legal test after the inauguration, because I'm falling short of agreement with you here.
- ardy42 6y ago
  >> meritless lies such as ..."Stop the Steal" > I sincerely hope to see this election put to a thorough legal test after the inauguration, because I'm falling short of agreement with you here. Why? It was already heavily scrutinized and no problems where found, and certainly none that would change the outcome in any way. Also, it's clear that the main (perhaps only) reason this election was challenged was to assuage the fragile ego of an insecure man with a gift for demagoguery, a man who apparently has always used "loser" as the ultimate insult and cannot tolerate being one.