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I agree with this article a lot. I wrote a comment on Rust for web previously that covers similar ground: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23776855 https://

I agree with this article a lot. I wrote a comment on Rust for web previously that covers similar ground: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23776855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23776855 One problem that I noticed, which may become a serious issue in the future, is that a lot of libraries add abstractions via macros. Macros don't always compose or debug well. I had some experiences getting errors in my macros that had extremely confusing debug messages, often pointing to files that didn't exist. Hopefully there will be a trend of moving back to plain old functions. Nom for instance has converted its combinators into regular functions, which I like a lot. I'd love love love for there to be a language that gets in between Rust and TypeScript. It'd have the strictness over mutability like Rust, but the GC of JS/TS. It wouldn't have 3+ string types. It'd have enum variants and pattern matching but maybe not macros. Gleam is pretty close!

jklehm 6y ago
dlang[0] as well perhaps. [0] https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/15/ownership-and-borrowing-in-d/ https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/15/ownership-and-borrowing-in...
isubasinghe 6y ago
> I'd love love love for there to be a language that gets in between Rust and TypeScript. I am really really keen on developing something like this, along with an optional linear type system. I think this would be a cool project for my thesis but also I have a lot on my plate already.
- hardwaregeek 6y ago
  Definitely interested in talking more about this if you're down! Send me an email
  - isubasinghe 6y ago
    Ah I would be down if I can get it onto my thesis next semester. I can contact you in about 5 months, if thats ok
EugeneOZ 6y ago
I'm really curious why people would ask for GC. What is the benefit?
lpil 6y ago
Hi! I'm the Gleam guy! It out curiosity what would the language need to bring it closer to what you want? Here's Gleam for anyone interested: https://github.com/gleam-lang/gleam https://github.com/gleam-lang/gleam
- hardwaregeek 6y ago
  Hey man big fan! Honestly it’s just having it run in the browser, which I understand isn’t a goal of Gleam. If Gleam had a webassembly target (and maybe a little easier mutability :p), I’d definitely love to use it in my web apps.
  - lpil 6y ago
    Web assembly and running in the browser are both long term goals of Gleam! Right now the focus is on Erlang, but once we have a good enough experience there one thing I'm going to explore is different compilation targets so that Gleam can be applied to a wider range of problem spaces and constraint sets.
    - hardwaregeek 6y ago
      Ah that's wonderful! I'd definitely be interested in helping if possible.
sweeneyrod 6y ago
What about OCaml?
- hardwaregeek 6y ago
  I really really wanted ReasonML to work but they’ve been dragging their feet on good async primitives and nicer interop. It’s also very frustrating and confusing to deal with the inconsistencies of OCaml, Bucklescript and Reason/ReScript. I don’t mean to criticize too harshly; it’s a great ecosystem that I really want to use. It’s just not at the point where using it seems like the pragmatic, effective decision
Svenskunganka 6y ago
Hopefully I'm not too late to spark some interest, but have you seen Pony[0] yet? It's a mix between Rust's safety & Erlang's concurrency (actors). [0]: https://www.ponylang.io/ https://www.ponylang.io/

jklehm 6y ago

dlang[0] as well perhaps. [0] https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/15/ownership-and-borrowing-in-d/ https://dlang.org/blog/2019/07/15/ownership-and-borrowing-in...

isubasinghe 6y ago

> I'd love love love for there to be a language that gets in between Rust and TypeScript. I am really really keen on developing something like this, along with an optional linear type system. I think this would be a cool project for my thesis but also I have a lot on my plate already.

hardwaregeek 6y ago
Definitely interested in talking more about this if you're down! Send me an email
- isubasinghe 6y ago
  Ah I would be down if I can get it onto my thesis next semester. I can contact you in about 5 months, if thats ok

EugeneOZ 6y ago

I'm really curious why people would ask for GC. What is the benefit?

lpil 6y ago

Hi! I'm the Gleam guy! It out curiosity what would the language need to bring it closer to what you want? Here's Gleam for anyone interested: https://github.com/gleam-lang/gleam https://github.com/gleam-lang/gleam

hardwaregeek 6y ago
Hey man big fan! Honestly it’s just having it run in the browser, which I understand isn’t a goal of Gleam. If Gleam had a webassembly target (and maybe a little easier mutability :p), I’d definitely love to use it in my web apps.
- lpil 6y ago
  Web assembly and running in the browser are both long term goals of Gleam! Right now the focus is on Erlang, but once we have a good enough experience there one thing I'm going to explore is different compilation targets so that Gleam can be applied to a wider range of problem spaces and constraint sets.
  - hardwaregeek 6y ago
    Ah that's wonderful! I'd definitely be interested in helping if possible.

sweeneyrod 6y ago

What about OCaml?

hardwaregeek 6y ago
I really really wanted ReasonML to work but they’ve been dragging their feet on good async primitives and nicer interop. It’s also very frustrating and confusing to deal with the inconsistencies of OCaml, Bucklescript and Reason/ReScript. I don’t mean to criticize too harshly; it’s a great ecosystem that I really want to use. It’s just not at the point where using it seems like the pragmatic, effective decision

Svenskunganka 6y ago

Hopefully I'm not too late to spark some interest, but have you seen Pony[0] yet? It's a mix between Rust's safety & Erlang's concurrency (actors). [0]: https://www.ponylang.io/ https://www.ponylang.io/