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Facebook Reinstates Trump's Account

66 points by pupdogg 6y ago

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throwaway_1237 6y ago
He’s just gonna do it again. He doesn’t back down, he always doubles down.
- bsaul 6y ago
  so ?
  - throwaway_1237 6y ago
    The truth matters.
    - krapp 6y ago
      To whom?
      - pacificmint 6y ago
        To Democracy?
      - mcphage 6y ago
        Who doesn’t the truth matter to?
        nemosaltat 6y ago
        Bullshitters
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- kombucha111 6y ago
  It really would be surprising if he was able to reign in his worst tendencies until and after the 20th.
- georgeplusplus 6y ago
  Even Merkel denounced the decision of big tech to do what they did. It’s so easy to see where cheering for this type of behavior leads to. Stop supporting big techs overreach just because it’s someone you disagree with.
  - albatruss 6y ago
    Merkel prefers that governments are not bound by first amendment protections. I would not take her political opinion as applicable to America.
  - hairofadog 6y ago
    Sincere question: Do you have any ideas regarding how to mitigate the use of these platforms to disseminate disinformation and to incite and organize violence? Or do you not see it as a problem? Or do you agree it’s a problem, but one that we have to live with as part of the price of free speech?
    - DenisM 6y ago
      [...] in the words of the Supreme Court - where there is time for better counsels to prevail, the remedy for speech is more speech. [...] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437 This is the American way. Europeans have a different approach to it and they do ban certain speech outright.
    - simonblack 6y ago
      Free speech itself is the problem. If it's free, then as Forrest Gump says' "You never know what you're gonna get." If some manager, somewhere, or even 'some random worker' can decide what you're going to get, then it ain't free speech. End of story. "one that we have to live with as part of the price of free speech?" Yes. In the words usually attributed to Voltaire: “I wholly disapprove of what you say—and will defend to the death your right to say it.”
noahmbarr 6y ago
Where’s FB’s conviction in their decisions on this?
- wilsynet 6y ago
  They never said it was permanent.
  - mikequinlan 6y ago
    "Facebook Bars Trump Through End of His Term" https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/technology/facebook-trump-ban.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/technology/facebook-trump...
    - slenk 6y ago
      There is still a lot of damage he could do between now and Tuesday :(
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        Wednesday. The end of his term is Wednesday.
        Fjolsvith 6y ago
        His first term.
        midnitewarrior 6y ago
        His only term. Three-time loser of the popular vote.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        Three time loser? He's only run twice. What's the third?
outoftheabyss 6y ago
Is he able to post?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
DataSceince123 6y ago
He's a terrorist and needs to be eliminated off the web, big tech is complicit in actively supporting a seditious and evil president. Zuckerberg has is causing unimaginable damage. Sad day
AlleyTrotter 6y ago
DJT has power over all you haters and y'all don't even realize it. You waste so much of your life hating someone who will never effect you personally.
refurb 6y ago
I think the interesting thing will be Trump's influence after Biden becomes president. Most former presidents keep quiet out of respect. Trump isn't going to do that. My guess is he will be a thorn in the side of the Democrats for a long time.
- throwawaybutwhy 6y ago
  > Most former presidents keep quiet out of respect. Not the 44th.
  - bhj 6y ago
    The relatively few times Obama has spoken out have been for respect of the office. T**, by contrast, will blather every day in feeble attempts to deflect, distract and divide.
    - georgeplusplus 6y ago
      Obama literally called trump a two bit dictator and several other personal things you can easily search yourself. to say that Obama stayed quiet is just plain look-the-other way ignorance.
      - igetspam 6y ago
        He stayed quiet longer than most people did and eventually it seems that his compulsion to speak out against the evils he saw won out. At least nothing he said was in any way false. Full disclosure: I voted against Obama. Twice.
        deleted 6y ago
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      - geoah 6y ago
        Not sure why this is getting downvoted, this indeed seems to be the case. https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/nov/03/obama-compares-trump-to-a-two-bit-dictator-who-lies-every-single-day-video https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/nov/03/obama-c...
YuccaGloriosa 6y ago
I'm guessing they are letting him have access to the rope to metaphorically hang himself with.
nopolitics 6y ago
I am very happy to hear this news. In Communist China if someone's account were purged I doubt it would be reinstated, so regardless of what you think of Trump as a president, this action reflects very favorably on America with respect to free speech. I hope Twitter will follow suit, and that Parler will be reinstated on Apple and Google, and its AWS account on Amazon. There are blacklists being written up, I hope those are dropped as well. Ordinary Americans should not have to think about signing up to the dark web, which law enforcement can't easily access, for their ordinary everyday lawful political speech. A former president certainly shouldn't. I myself am not angry at Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, or Amazon that this happened. I am just so sad that free speech could be taken away in the first place. This is a big win for free speech. Below I copy the lead sentences from Wikipedia on free speech: Freedom of speech[2] is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The term "freedom of expression" is sometimes used synonymously but includes any act of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice".
- 1ark 6y ago
  Sad that this is downvoted. Only sane comment.
- igetspam 6y ago
  There are no free speach implications to shutting down trump or parler. Every service in question is a private company. Every service used had a TOS. Freedom of speech does not extend to private establishments. Just as you cannot come into my home or business and be racist, without me kicking you out, these businesses are allowed to do the same. Failure to recognize this is intentionally ignoring a key component of reality and seems to be counter to the claims of supporting a free market that those screaming the loudest always say is important. Your argument is not sensible, it is either naive or intentionally misleading to support a narrative of victimhood.
skarz 6y ago
“At this time, it is unknown if Trump has access to the pages.” Shitty clickbait.

66 points by pupdogg 6y ago

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throwaway_1237 6y ago

He’s just gonna do it again. He doesn’t back down, he always doubles down.

bsaul 6y ago
so ?
- throwaway_1237 6y ago
  The truth matters.
  - krapp 6y ago
    To whom?
    - pacificmint 6y ago
      To Democracy?
    - mcphage 6y ago
      Who doesn’t the truth matter to?
      - nemosaltat 6y ago
        Bullshitters
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
kombucha111 6y ago
It really would be surprising if he was able to reign in his worst tendencies until and after the 20th.
georgeplusplus 6y ago
Even Merkel denounced the decision of big tech to do what they did. It’s so easy to see where cheering for this type of behavior leads to. Stop supporting big techs overreach just because it’s someone you disagree with.
- albatruss 6y ago
  Merkel prefers that governments are not bound by first amendment protections. I would not take her political opinion as applicable to America.
- hairofadog 6y ago
  Sincere question: Do you have any ideas regarding how to mitigate the use of these platforms to disseminate disinformation and to incite and organize violence? Or do you not see it as a problem? Or do you agree it’s a problem, but one that we have to live with as part of the price of free speech?
  - DenisM 6y ago
    [...] in the words of the Supreme Court - where there is time for better counsels to prevail, the remedy for speech is more speech. [...] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437 This is the American way. Europeans have a different approach to it and they do ban certain speech outright.
  - simonblack 6y ago
    Free speech itself is the problem. If it's free, then as Forrest Gump says' "You never know what you're gonna get." If some manager, somewhere, or even 'some random worker' can decide what you're going to get, then it ain't free speech. End of story. "one that we have to live with as part of the price of free speech?" Yes. In the words usually attributed to Voltaire: “I wholly disapprove of what you say—and will defend to the death your right to say it.”

noahmbarr 6y ago

Where’s FB’s conviction in their decisions on this?

wilsynet 6y ago
They never said it was permanent.
- mikequinlan 6y ago
  "Facebook Bars Trump Through End of His Term" https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/technology/facebook-trump-ban.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/technology/facebook-trump...
  - slenk 6y ago
    There is still a lot of damage he could do between now and Tuesday :(
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      Wednesday. The end of his term is Wednesday.
      - Fjolsvith 6y ago
        His first term.
        midnitewarrior 6y ago
        His only term. Three-time loser of the popular vote.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        Three time loser? He's only run twice. What's the third?

outoftheabyss 6y ago

Is he able to post?

deleted 6y ago
[deleted]

DataSceince123 6y ago

He's a terrorist and needs to be eliminated off the web, big tech is complicit in actively supporting a seditious and evil president. Zuckerberg has is causing unimaginable damage. Sad day

AlleyTrotter 6y ago

DJT has power over all you haters and y'all don't even realize it. You waste so much of your life hating someone who will never effect you personally.

refurb 6y ago

I think the interesting thing will be Trump's influence after Biden becomes president. Most former presidents keep quiet out of respect. Trump isn't going to do that. My guess is he will be a thorn in the side of the Democrats for a long time.

throwawaybutwhy 6y ago
> Most former presidents keep quiet out of respect. Not the 44th.
- bhj 6y ago
  The relatively few times Obama has spoken out have been for respect of the office. T**, by contrast, will blather every day in feeble attempts to deflect, distract and divide.
  - georgeplusplus 6y ago
    Obama literally called trump a two bit dictator and several other personal things you can easily search yourself. to say that Obama stayed quiet is just plain look-the-other way ignorance.
    - igetspam 6y ago
      He stayed quiet longer than most people did and eventually it seems that his compulsion to speak out against the evils he saw won out. At least nothing he said was in any way false. Full disclosure: I voted against Obama. Twice.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - geoah 6y ago
      Not sure why this is getting downvoted, this indeed seems to be the case. https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/nov/03/obama-compares-trump-to-a-two-bit-dictator-who-lies-every-single-day-video https://www.theguardian.com/global/video/2020/nov/03/obama-c...

YuccaGloriosa 6y ago

I'm guessing they are letting him have access to the rope to metaphorically hang himself with.

nopolitics 6y ago

I am very happy to hear this news. In Communist China if someone's account were purged I doubt it would be reinstated, so regardless of what you think of Trump as a president, this action reflects very favorably on America with respect to free speech. I hope Twitter will follow suit, and that Parler will be reinstated on Apple and Google, and its AWS account on Amazon. There are blacklists being written up, I hope those are dropped as well. Ordinary Americans should not have to think about signing up to the dark web, which law enforcement can't easily access, for their ordinary everyday lawful political speech. A former president certainly shouldn't. I myself am not angry at Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, or Amazon that this happened. I am just so sad that free speech could be taken away in the first place. This is a big win for free speech. Below I copy the lead sentences from Wikipedia on free speech: Freedom of speech[2] is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The term "freedom of expression" is sometimes used synonymously but includes any act of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used. Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice".

1ark 6y ago
Sad that this is downvoted. Only sane comment.
igetspam 6y ago
There are no free speach implications to shutting down trump or parler. Every service in question is a private company. Every service used had a TOS. Freedom of speech does not extend to private establishments. Just as you cannot come into my home or business and be racist, without me kicking you out, these businesses are allowed to do the same. Failure to recognize this is intentionally ignoring a key component of reality and seems to be counter to the claims of supporting a free market that those screaming the loudest always say is important. Your argument is not sensible, it is either naive or intentionally misleading to support a narrative of victimhood.

skarz 6y ago

“At this time, it is unknown if Trump has access to the pages.” Shitty clickbait.