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Dang, I'm.. a bit confused. The comment did not strike me as either flamebait nor nationalism (and I also didn't see any replies, either here or on the original
by skrebbel 6y ago
Dang, I'm.. a bit confused. The comment did not strike me as either flamebait nor nationalism (and I also didn't see any replies, either here or on the original, that took this "bait" and made a flamewar).
I posted it in good faith because I found it a witty highlight of the misery that a reader must ignore to be able to consider a story like this a feel-good tearjerker.
Obviously the comment is a commentary on a specific aspect of American culture, and obviously it takes some poetic liberties (such as suggesting that American culture is a singular thing at all, or that this is only an American thing, or using swear words). But it's not an attack. The way I read it, it neither idealizes nor rejects any country, and wouldn't at least one of those be required for it to be nationalistic flamebait?
For what it's worth, I have no beef with America and I strongly doubt the author has (I do not know them personally). HN is a US-dominated site run by an American organization. America exports a lot of a culture that I want a piece of (notably, SV/startup culture, which HN is a fantastic conduit for). That's what I'm here for.
Either way, I'll refrain from reproducing this particular comment in the future. But we clearly have different frames of reference, and I might take some time to fully understand yours. I believed I was well in the clear wrt HN guidelines and norms with this one.
- dang 6y agoIt seems to me obviously an attack. One side is presented as ridiculous and reprehensible, the other side as sensible and decent. Also, it feeds directly into repetitive flamewar tropes about the US vs. the rest of the world. I'm not saying you meant it that way! Flamebait doesn't need replies to count as flamebait - it's all about the odds, i.e. what's the expected flamewar output of such a comment in the long run. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=%22expected%20value%22%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...