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The communication around this change was very poorly handled. This policy update does not affect the privacy of messages with friends or family in any way: http

The communication around this change was very poorly handled. This policy update does not affect the privacy of messages with friends or family in any way: https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/answering-your-questions-about-whatsapps-privacy-policy?lang=en https://faq.whatsapp.com/general/security-and-privacy/answer.... I don't believe that was well understood. Disclosure: I work at FB but unrelated to WhatsApp

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bennyp101 6y ago
It seemed to imply that from Feb, metadata would now be shared with Facebook (I know, probably was anyway), and a lot of people took a dim view of that. (esp. those that paid for it originally) I think a lot of horses have bolted, but I'm sure there will be plently left once the gate is shut.
annadane 6y ago
Ask your bosses why they're ok with forcing through changes that nobody wants and repeatedly lying to users
- dastx 6y ago
  No one wants? But the customer wants them. It just so happens to be that you're not the customer.
exoque 6y ago
You know, I don't care about the changes to the privacy policy at all. I tried to move to an alternative messenger for years but I was never able to convince enough people. Now that there's enough momentum I tried again and every person I care about was willing to move. Let's see if we can use the network effect for our own good for once.
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random5634 6y ago
We've been down this path before. We were told nothing would change. Oh wait, the time of last login will be shared with facebook family of companies? Despite this blog post showing no sharing icons at all - they ARE sharing and now lying about it by not showing a single icon to reflect this sharing. Oh wait, we need your phone number for 2FA? Sure. Bam - now you've given us permission to spam you! They lied about that. Check out signal and get away from the lies. This blog post is such a good example of it, all the things not showing as not shared are probably SHARED! So despite EVERY icon saying nothing is shared, they no doubt are pumping your phone number over to Facebook family of companies. They are trying to do the fake apple privacy label thing - but only including non-sharing labels, not the sharing labels. Totally disgusting. I'm signing up to signal today and pushing hard for my network to switch. Now if only signal used go or something lighter weight instead of a monster java stack they could probably scale a lot better.
nocturnial 6y ago
From the link you supplied: "WhatsApp does not share your contacts with Facebook" Wouldn't it be better to just say: "WhatsApp does not share your contacts." or even better "WhatsApp doesn't store any of your contacts especially the ones who doesn't even use WhatsApp"?
davros 6y ago
Too late. When there is a mandatory requirement to share data with Facebook that is a hard no regardless of the details. I'd be happy to pay or get ads within reason, but to monetize my privacy, no way. My user experience on Signal has been excellent so far, family switched without difficulty.
rainyMammoth 6y ago
Facebook guy tells us that the changes are harmless and that there is nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here I guess. Amazing what some internal koolaid can do to you (well more than this,it's really probably greed). Please rethink critically the ethics of your employer.
- Merman_Mike 6y ago
  +1 A Facebook employee making claims about privacy or ethics makes me immediately suspicious of those claims.
tbodt 6y ago
To me that was never the problem. The problem is joining data that doesn't need to be joined.
MAGZine 6y ago
So your rational is: since Facebook was already mining your conversation metadata, people shouldn't be leaving. Did I capture that accurately? Seems pretty flimsy. You're right though, people should have left a long time ago.
- dzlobin 6y ago
  That is not what he said.
  - MAGZine 6y ago
    Pedantry aside, isn't it? In a thread about the backlash to whatsapp changes, Op said "it's not what you think it is!!!" The point is, this happened to be a watershed moment. Whether the conditions (mining metadata) were met years ago or in a week or two from now is irrelevant.
drummer 6y ago
How can you still work at Facebook with a clear conscience?

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bennyp101 6y ago

It seemed to imply that from Feb, metadata would now be shared with Facebook (I know, probably was anyway), and a lot of people took a dim view of that. (esp. those that paid for it originally) I think a lot of horses have bolted, but I'm sure there will be plently left once the gate is shut.

annadane 6y ago

Ask your bosses why they're ok with forcing through changes that nobody wants and repeatedly lying to users

dastx 6y ago
No one wants? But the customer wants them. It just so happens to be that you're not the customer.

exoque 6y ago

You know, I don't care about the changes to the privacy policy at all. I tried to move to an alternative messenger for years but I was never able to convince enough people. Now that there's enough momentum I tried again and every person I care about was willing to move. Let's see if we can use the network effect for our own good for once.

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random5634 6y ago

We've been down this path before. We were told nothing would change. Oh wait, the time of last login will be shared with facebook family of companies? Despite this blog post showing no sharing icons at all - they ARE sharing and now lying about it by not showing a single icon to reflect this sharing. Oh wait, we need your phone number for 2FA? Sure. Bam - now you've given us permission to spam you! They lied about that. Check out signal and get away from the lies. This blog post is such a good example of it, all the things not showing as not shared are probably SHARED! So despite EVERY icon saying nothing is shared, they no doubt are pumping your phone number over to Facebook family of companies. They are trying to do the fake apple privacy label thing - but only including non-sharing labels, not the sharing labels. Totally disgusting. I'm signing up to signal today and pushing hard for my network to switch. Now if only signal used go or something lighter weight instead of a monster java stack they could probably scale a lot better.

nocturnial 6y ago

From the link you supplied: "WhatsApp does not share your contacts with Facebook" Wouldn't it be better to just say: "WhatsApp does not share your contacts." or even better "WhatsApp doesn't store any of your contacts especially the ones who doesn't even use WhatsApp"?

davros 6y ago

Too late. When there is a mandatory requirement to share data with Facebook that is a hard no regardless of the details. I'd be happy to pay or get ads within reason, but to monetize my privacy, no way. My user experience on Signal has been excellent so far, family switched without difficulty.

rainyMammoth 6y ago

Facebook guy tells us that the changes are harmless and that there is nothing to worry about. Nothing to see here I guess. Amazing what some internal koolaid can do to you (well more than this,it's really probably greed). Please rethink critically the ethics of your employer.

Merman_Mike 6y ago
+1 A Facebook employee making claims about privacy or ethics makes me immediately suspicious of those claims.

tbodt 6y ago

To me that was never the problem. The problem is joining data that doesn't need to be joined.

MAGZine 6y ago

So your rational is: since Facebook was already mining your conversation metadata, people shouldn't be leaving. Did I capture that accurately? Seems pretty flimsy. You're right though, people should have left a long time ago.

dzlobin 6y ago
That is not what he said.
- MAGZine 6y ago
  Pedantry aside, isn't it? In a thread about the backlash to whatsapp changes, Op said "it's not what you think it is!!!" The point is, this happened to be a watershed moment. Whether the conditions (mining metadata) were met years ago or in a week or two from now is irrelevant.

drummer 6y ago

How can you still work at Facebook with a clear conscience?