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China is lying, Austrialia isn't substantively better off than e.g. Sweden, which took the opposite approach. > I said it would have prevented the widespread m

China is lying, Austrialia isn't substantively better off than e.g. Sweden, which took the opposite approach. > I said it would have prevented the widespread misery. Why? That seems facially insane to me. > testing, quarantine, contact-tracing, Clearly none of those things actually help. You can't eliminate a disease with this level of transmissibility - maybe slow it down a bit. > the virus would have run amok and impoverished those people anyway by destroying their industries You have a completely distorted view of how dangerous this virus is.

triceratops 6y ago
> China is lying Prove it. Even if they're lying, they'd have to under report deaths by a factor of 40 to approach the US per-capita death toll. How easy do you think it is to hide 40x the bodies that were reported? > Austrialia isn't substantively better off than e.g. Sweden In what way? They have 50x (1k/1M vs 50k/1M) fewer cases per capita than Sweden. They have the same unemployment rate (~7%). I'd call that "substantively better". In your worldview everyone who does better than the US at containing Covid is either lying or doesn't exist. Think about that. > That seems facially insane to me Preventing misery sounds "insane" to you? Or do you think the idea that giving assistance would prevent misery is "insane"? They're both pretty normal ideas - maybe you're the one with the distorted view of the world. > Clearly none of those things actually help South Korea (1k cases/1M) and Taiwan (36 cases/1M) would like to have a word with you. > You have a completely distorted view of how dangerous this virus is. In October 2020, Covid was already the 3rd leading cause of death for 45+[1]. In the past week, it was the single-largest cause of death. The next 2 (usually heart disease and cancer) take decades to kill you and aren't transmissible. Maybe you should consider the possibility that you're the one who's been deeply misinformed. You're saying completely untrue stuff with 100% confidence. I think you're in denial. 1. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465
- centimeter 6y ago
  Basically everything you’re saying is low-grade bullshit, but I’ll just focus on > In October 2020, Covid was already the 3rd leading cause of death for 45+ If you don’t understand how the US’s covid mortality reporting policies grossly inflate this number, you’re deriving premises from fundamentally broken data. In fact, this is the fundamental source of confusion when doing comparisons across countries. If you normalize for reporting standards, things look very different from the picture you’ve painted. Edit: this dogshit website won’t let me respond further, but I’ll just paste it here: Arguing the numbers is a losing tactic - at least, it’s a waste of time - when you’re speaking with someone who doesn’t understand that it’s absurd to compare countries where anyone who dies with covid is reported to have died of covid (like most metrics in the US) against countries that have a more sane reporting standard, like Taiwan.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > Basically everything you’re saying is low-grade bullshit I.e. "I can't argue with actual numbers so I'm just going to scoff at you instead." Denial's a powerful drug my friend. > anyone who dies with covid is reported to have died of covid (like most metrics in the US) First off, Taiwan and South Korea have low cases, not just low deaths. So saying "It's impossible to stop the spread" is clear nonsense. And you haven't presented any evidence that other countries don't report Covid deaths in this way. Moreover, how many of those US deaths were completely asymptomatic Covid patients that died of something else entirely? And how do you explain ICUs being packed out and LA running out of mortuary space if all those people would have died anyway under normal circumstances? The fully asymptomatic deaths are the only ones you should discount. Everyone else rightly counts in the Covid mortality stats. Doesn't matter if their obesity or cancer or old age or some other underlying issue made them more vulnerable; it was the Covid that killed them then rather than later. I do agree that arguing numbers is a losing tactic - with someone who's in deep denial because they decided early on this whole pandemic business was BS and no evidence was going to change their mind. Stay safe buddy.

triceratops 6y ago

> China is lying Prove it. Even if they're lying, they'd have to under report deaths by a factor of 40 to approach the US per-capita death toll. How easy do you think it is to hide 40x the bodies that were reported? > Austrialia isn't substantively better off than e.g. Sweden In what way? They have 50x (1k/1M vs 50k/1M) fewer cases per capita than Sweden. They have the same unemployment rate (~7%). I'd call that "substantively better". In your worldview everyone who does better than the US at containing Covid is either lying or doesn't exist. Think about that. > That seems facially insane to me Preventing misery sounds "insane" to you? Or do you think the idea that giving assistance would prevent misery is "insane"? They're both pretty normal ideas - maybe you're the one with the distorted view of the world. > Clearly none of those things actually help South Korea (1k cases/1M) and Taiwan (36 cases/1M) would like to have a word with you. > You have a completely distorted view of how dangerous this virus is. In October 2020, Covid was already the 3rd leading cause of death for 45+[1]. In the past week, it was the single-largest cause of death. The next 2 (usually heart disease and cancer) take decades to kill you and aren't transmissible. Maybe you should consider the possibility that you're the one who's been deeply misinformed. You're saying completely untrue stuff with 100% confidence. I think you're in denial. 1. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2774465

centimeter 6y ago
Basically everything you’re saying is low-grade bullshit, but I’ll just focus on > In October 2020, Covid was already the 3rd leading cause of death for 45+ If you don’t understand how the US’s covid mortality reporting policies grossly inflate this number, you’re deriving premises from fundamentally broken data. In fact, this is the fundamental source of confusion when doing comparisons across countries. If you normalize for reporting standards, things look very different from the picture you’ve painted. Edit: this dogshit website won’t let me respond further, but I’ll just paste it here: Arguing the numbers is a losing tactic - at least, it’s a waste of time - when you’re speaking with someone who doesn’t understand that it’s absurd to compare countries where anyone who dies with covid is reported to have died of covid (like most metrics in the US) against countries that have a more sane reporting standard, like Taiwan.
- triceratops 6y ago
  > Basically everything you’re saying is low-grade bullshit I.e. "I can't argue with actual numbers so I'm just going to scoff at you instead." Denial's a powerful drug my friend. > anyone who dies with covid is reported to have died of covid (like most metrics in the US) First off, Taiwan and South Korea have low cases, not just low deaths. So saying "It's impossible to stop the spread" is clear nonsense. And you haven't presented any evidence that other countries don't report Covid deaths in this way. Moreover, how many of those US deaths were completely asymptomatic Covid patients that died of something else entirely? And how do you explain ICUs being packed out and LA running out of mortuary space if all those people would have died anyway under normal circumstances? The fully asymptomatic deaths are the only ones you should discount. Everyone else rightly counts in the Covid mortality stats. Doesn't matter if their obesity or cancer or old age or some other underlying issue made them more vulnerable; it was the Covid that killed them then rather than later. I do agree that arguing numbers is a losing tactic - with someone who's in deep denial because they decided early on this whole pandemic business was BS and no evidence was going to change their mind. Stay safe buddy.