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I understand - I'm also in my 20's. It sucks. A lot. But we're not the only people having to sacrifice and hopefully things get back to normal soon! It's tough

by kjakm 6y ago

I understand - I'm also in my 20's. It sucks. A lot. But we're not the only people having to sacrifice and hopefully things get back to normal soon! It's tough but I don't think anyone will regret doing the right thing and hopefully we'll appreciate life a bit more afterwards.

actuator 6y ago
Yeah, I agree. I think we are going to see changes in dating attitudes after this. At least in my circle of friends and extended circle, I have seen the desire for serious relationships go stronger in this period. Also, the appreciation for family for those who were able to live with them.
ndiscussion 6y ago
Imagine sacrificing the lives of our youth for 1% of boomers. Morally intolerable if you ask me, but obviously, we all have our biases.
- soledades 6y ago
  I guess if you had everyone rate the relative worth of each year of their lives and the effect of lockdown on that value, the maximizing strategy would be probably be no lockdown. The thing is though that those later years of people’s life are often worth very much to those around them. For instance, what about a four year old whose primary caretaker is their grandmother? Four is a precious year with an outsize effect on the trajectory of someone’s life. The calculations are not so simple then.
- philsnow 6y ago
  It really looks like you're comparing the lives of human beings to young people having fun. What's the exchange rate? Should we remove the laws about driving while intoxicated? That's just another form of reckless endangerment that leads to loss of life.
  - jdminhbg 6y ago
    > It really looks like you're comparing the lives of human beings to young people having fun. What's the exchange rate? It's the Quality-Adjusted Life Year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year
    - philsnow 6y ago
      yikes, that's chilling. > The method of ranking interventions on grounds of their cost per QALY gained ratio (or ICER) is controversial because it implies a quasi-utilitarian calculus to determine who will or will not receive treatment.
      - jdminhbg 6y ago
        Hardly chilling. Simply pretending tradeoffs don't exist doesn't make them go away.
  - ndiscussion 6y ago
    Certainly not. This isn't about fun. This is about giving our youth a normal life. I hate using this term but we're going to see a huge rise in incels, and that will probably lead to massive bloodshed.
  - tomp 6y ago
    Should we be driving at all? After all, every second spent driving a car is equivalent to you killing someone with a low probability.
    - notsureaboutpg 6y ago
      Driving has productivity benefits. Dating doesn't. Actually marriages are stronger in societies where people don't date to find partners
- dsr_ 6y ago
  Imagine sacrificing the fun of our youths in order to prevent them from acquiring and carrying a disease which is currently infecting half a million people per day in the USA and has now killed more than 330,000 people. Long term effects on people who get it but survive are not known... but may include heart/lung damage and, hey, erectile dysfunction. (New Zealand, you go ahead and enjoy yourselves. Remember to use protection.)

by kjakm 6y ago

actuator 6y ago

Yeah, I agree. I think we are going to see changes in dating attitudes after this. At least in my circle of friends and extended circle, I have seen the desire for serious relationships go stronger in this period. Also, the appreciation for family for those who were able to live with them.

ndiscussion 6y ago

Imagine sacrificing the lives of our youth for 1% of boomers. Morally intolerable if you ask me, but obviously, we all have our biases.

soledades 6y ago
I guess if you had everyone rate the relative worth of each year of their lives and the effect of lockdown on that value, the maximizing strategy would be probably be no lockdown. The thing is though that those later years of people’s life are often worth very much to those around them. For instance, what about a four year old whose primary caretaker is their grandmother? Four is a precious year with an outsize effect on the trajectory of someone’s life. The calculations are not so simple then.
philsnow 6y ago
It really looks like you're comparing the lives of human beings to young people having fun. What's the exchange rate? Should we remove the laws about driving while intoxicated? That's just another form of reckless endangerment that leads to loss of life.
- jdminhbg 6y ago
  > It really looks like you're comparing the lives of human beings to young people having fun. What's the exchange rate? It's the Quality-Adjusted Life Year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-adjusted_life_year
  - philsnow 6y ago
    yikes, that's chilling. > The method of ranking interventions on grounds of their cost per QALY gained ratio (or ICER) is controversial because it implies a quasi-utilitarian calculus to determine who will or will not receive treatment.
    - jdminhbg 6y ago
      Hardly chilling. Simply pretending tradeoffs don't exist doesn't make them go away.
- ndiscussion 6y ago
  Certainly not. This isn't about fun. This is about giving our youth a normal life. I hate using this term but we're going to see a huge rise in incels, and that will probably lead to massive bloodshed.
- tomp 6y ago
  Should we be driving at all? After all, every second spent driving a car is equivalent to you killing someone with a low probability.
  - notsureaboutpg 6y ago
    Driving has productivity benefits. Dating doesn't. Actually marriages are stronger in societies where people don't date to find partners
dsr_ 6y ago
Imagine sacrificing the fun of our youths in order to prevent them from acquiring and carrying a disease which is currently infecting half a million people per day in the USA and has now killed more than 330,000 people. Long term effects on people who get it but survive are not known... but may include heart/lung damage and, hey, erectile dysfunction. (New Zealand, you go ahead and enjoy yourselves. Remember to use protection.)