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Ockham alternative: the number of users exceeded the capacity of the system. This has nothing to do with being shut down like Parler if that is what you're ask
by x86ARMsRace 6y ago
Ockham alternative: the number of users exceeded the capacity of the system.
This has nothing to do with being shut down like Parler if that is what you're asking. That'd be a leap of logic based on very little evidence. Were it happening, there would be statements in the news. We have precedent.
- rriepe 6y agoYou're telling me that Parler's 8M nowhere-to-go users have nothing to do with Signal's recent influx of 40M users? Here's a hint: The entire 8M from Parler are using Signal. They're still plotting all the same violence, but instead of being protected by a promise from the founder, they're protected by the design of the app itself. There's no argument to use against Parler that can't be used against Signal. They need to be shut down now, before people die again. Signal is a threat to our core tenets of freedom, security and democracy. Parler could change its moderation policy tomorrow but Signal can't change how it works.
- disruptalot 6y agoWhy don't we just shutdown the internet? We can finally get rid of it all.
- agundy 6y agoIsn’t Signal just groups and direct messages? Parler was a giant echo chamber where you can tumble down the rabbit hole, signal has no suggested groups or other broadcast to the word. Only broadcast to a channel opting into a conversation. Sure you can use it to coordinate and spread disinformation but it’s got a much lower viral spread.
- esja 6y agoWhat happens when they move from Signal to some other form of encrypted communication? Won't you need to ban that too? Have you considered the difficulty or the implications of what you are proposing?
- steinersupport 6y agoGotcha, encryption and privacy focused services are "a threat to our core tenents of freedom." Let's wipe it all out. Good call.
- dang 6y agoIt looks like you've been using HN primarily for political battle, as well as posting a ton of unsubstantive comments. We ban accounts that do those things (regardless of which politics they support or oppose). I don't want to ban you, but we have to protect this place, and political battle and unsubstantive comments are the two biggest problems. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this, we'd appreciate it.
- rriepe 6y ago"But we have to protect this place" makes a great epitaph for rhetoric on the internet.
- dang 6y ago"Rhetoric" on a large, public internet forum is of extremely low quality so I think HN's fine with that transaction.
- x86ARMsRace 6y agoWorth mentioning here that the reply in question is dishonest, bad faith argument. All that this person did was tell me I was wrong, then restate my exact point that the service went down due to hitting a capacity limit. Really the only difference between what they said and what I said was the lack of civility, and the additional assertion that Signal needed to be shutdown.
- enachtry 6y agoIf your freedom cannot exist without the state spying on people's conversations then your freedom does not exist.