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>Germany isn't known for being bastion of free speech[1][2]. Germany isn't known for free speech but does have some of the strictest privacy laws in the world.

by s_dev 6y ago

>Germany isn't known for being bastion of free speech[1][2]. Germany isn't known for free speech but does have some of the strictest privacy laws in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesdatenschutzgesetz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesdatenschutzgesetz

qwertox 6y ago
But it only attempts to protect you from companies. If the government believes a domain to be an illegal resource, it has all the necessary legal tools available to force them to censor it. Edit: Also, since it is hosted in Germany, or at least offered as a German product, it should be required to contain an Imprint (Impressum), which this site doesn't have. I agree with this being a pretty sketchy service.
- leifg 6y ago
  Oh really? Which laws/legal tools/precedences are you referring to?
  - stonesweep 6y ago
    Took me all of 2 minutes to Google. https://dejure.org/gesetze/TMG/5.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/TMG/5.html https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://dejure.org/gesetze/TMG/5.html https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
    - leifg 6y ago
      Where does it say anything in there about censoring a domain?
      - stonesweep 6y ago
        I was replying to the (Edit) by GP (to me) about the Impressum, it appears you were addressing the censorship preceding sentence. I read your reply as a challenge to the second (Edit) statement due to it's passive-aggressive nature and non-specific target subject. You simply said "show me some laws", so I did and here we are.
        leifg 6y ago
        Fair enough, didn't connect the edit to your comment.
  - qwertox 6y ago
    § 100a StPO (Telekommunikationsüberwachung), probably § 100b StPO (Online-Durchsuchung) as well. An interesting thing is that lately authorities not only request logging of IP addresses, but also the port which initiated the connection. For some time I thought that this was ridiculous, but then it turns out that if you use a VPN or a DS-Lite-Gateway, the port will allow you to be identified. Edit: I'm using this edit as a reply to the follow-up question, since I can't reply to it directly. While you are right that a specific domain can't be censored, the provider can be instructed to log requests for that domain name and provide the timestamp/IP/port to the authorities, as well as answer to the client with modified data.
    - leifg 6y ago
      again, where does it say anything about censorship in any of these laws?

by s_dev 6y ago

qwertox 6y ago

But it only attempts to protect you from companies. If the government believes a domain to be an illegal resource, it has all the necessary legal tools available to force them to censor it. Edit: Also, since it is hosted in Germany, or at least offered as a German product, it should be required to contain an Imprint (Impressum), which this site doesn't have. I agree with this being a pretty sketchy service.

leifg 6y ago
Oh really? Which laws/legal tools/precedences are you referring to?
- stonesweep 6y ago
  Took me all of 2 minutes to Google. https://dejure.org/gesetze/TMG/5.html https://dejure.org/gesetze/TMG/5.html https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://dejure.org/gesetze/TMG/5.html https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...
  - leifg 6y ago
    Where does it say anything in there about censoring a domain?
    - stonesweep 6y ago
      I was replying to the (Edit) by GP (to me) about the Impressum, it appears you were addressing the censorship preceding sentence. I read your reply as a challenge to the second (Edit) statement due to it's passive-aggressive nature and non-specific target subject. You simply said "show me some laws", so I did and here we are.
      - leifg 6y ago
        Fair enough, didn't connect the edit to your comment.
- qwertox 6y ago
  § 100a StPO (Telekommunikationsüberwachung), probably § 100b StPO (Online-Durchsuchung) as well. An interesting thing is that lately authorities not only request logging of IP addresses, but also the port which initiated the connection. For some time I thought that this was ridiculous, but then it turns out that if you use a VPN or a DS-Lite-Gateway, the port will allow you to be identified. Edit: I'm using this edit as a reply to the follow-up question, since I can't reply to it directly. While you are right that a specific domain can't be censored, the provider can be instructed to log requests for that domain name and provide the timestamp/IP/port to the authorities, as well as answer to the client with modified data.
  - leifg 6y ago
    again, where does it say anything about censorship in any of these laws?