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zeldman.com, alistapart.com. Oh, those heady standards-seeking days!

by grzm 6y ago

tannhaeuser 6y ago
alistapart.com, smashingmagazine.com, css-tricks.com and a couple other web "avantgarde" sites with a progressive vibe and focus on developing the web as an innovative and inclusive medium are still alive (though alistapart's hp marks half-year old stories with "new" badges which they probably shouldn't). Come to think about it, I spent a lot of time on w3c.org, OASIS xml-dev mailing list archives, and other web standardization sites.
- grzm 6y ago
  Yeah, Zeldman and co are still around, and you’re right that they’re not quite what they used to be. Perhaps they’re just grown up? Kinda crazy: it was exciting to think back then that these people were making careers of this web stuff! And there’s a seeming contradiction I feel when I think now that they’re so polished and professional that I think maybe they’ve lost something. Probably it’s just that the novelty has worn off and I’m not following that particular space as closely. That’s more me than them, I suspect. And meyerweb.com, diveintomark, joeclark.org. When we were introduced to xml and xslt, and don’t forget xsl-fo; and css was the new kid on the block, and xhtml just a glimmer, and you still heard mention of sgml and DSSSL and the difference between valid and well-formed :) And a couple of flavors of RSS (didn’t find myself on Winer’s scripting.com that much, though), oh, and now there’s Atom! Which reminds me of Sam Ruby’s intertwingly.net. I’m waxing a bit nostalgic, I fear.
  - tannhaeuser 6y ago
    I'd say, subjectively, those sites got a spike out of the "mobile web revolution" starting when Safari on iPhones hit the scene around 2009 until maybe 2015 or so, but then struggled with ad network consolidation and targeted advertising (DoubleClick was bought by Google in 2007), and regular ad prices going down (marked by eg Dr Dobbs Journal ceasing publishing in 2014). We really should put up a web museum. For me, the best of times were in early 2000s after the dot-com bubble with clean sites and web design coming of it's own with Wikipedia, StackOverflow, Google (back then).
    - grzm 6y ago
      Yeah, that tracks. It was kind of cool when people started being able to blog semi-professionally, paid for what they would do anyway. When people starting blogging to get paid, things did change. I’m surely oversimplifying, but the I haven’t enjoyed the web as much since. Now it’s pretty much just a reference tool, not a place for discovery and delight. Causation? Correlation? Tracks with the nostalgia, anyway :) (Are those kids on my lawn?)

zeldman.com, alistapart.com. Oh, those heady standards-seeking days!

by grzm 6y ago

zeldman.com, alistapart.com. Oh, those heady standards-seeking days!

alistapart.com, smashingmagazine.com, css-tricks.com and a couple other web "avantgarde" sites with a progressive vibe and focus on developing the web as an innovative and inclusive medium are still alive (though alistapart's hp marks half-year old stories with "new" badges which they probably shouldn't). Come to think about it, I spent a lot of time on w3c.org, OASIS xml-dev mailing list archives, and other web standardization sites.

grzm 6y ago
Yeah, Zeldman and co are still around, and you’re right that they’re not quite what they used to be. Perhaps they’re just grown up? Kinda crazy: it was exciting to think back then that these people were making careers of this web stuff! And there’s a seeming contradiction I feel when I think now that they’re so polished and professional that I think maybe they’ve lost something. Probably it’s just that the novelty has worn off and I’m not following that particular space as closely. That’s more me than them, I suspect. And meyerweb.com, diveintomark, joeclark.org. When we were introduced to xml and xslt, and don’t forget xsl-fo; and css was the new kid on the block, and xhtml just a glimmer, and you still heard mention of sgml and DSSSL and the difference between valid and well-formed :) And a couple of flavors of RSS (didn’t find myself on Winer’s scripting.com that much, though), oh, and now there’s Atom! Which reminds me of Sam Ruby’s intertwingly.net. I’m waxing a bit nostalgic, I fear.
- tannhaeuser 6y ago
  I'd say, subjectively, those sites got a spike out of the "mobile web revolution" starting when Safari on iPhones hit the scene around 2009 until maybe 2015 or so, but then struggled with ad network consolidation and targeted advertising (DoubleClick was bought by Google in 2007), and regular ad prices going down (marked by eg Dr Dobbs Journal ceasing publishing in 2014). We really should put up a web museum. For me, the best of times were in early 2000s after the dot-com bubble with clean sites and web design coming of it's own with Wikipedia, StackOverflow, Google (back then).
  - grzm 6y ago
    Yeah, that tracks. It was kind of cool when people started being able to blog semi-professionally, paid for what they would do anyway. When people starting blogging to get paid, things did change. I’m surely oversimplifying, but the I haven’t enjoyed the web as much since. Now it’s pretty much just a reference tool, not a place for discovery and delight. Causation? Correlation? Tracks with the nostalgia, anyway :) (Are those kids on my lawn?)