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Here is a previous discussion of a similar tool that also lists some of the limitations (like inability to use bridged networking without Apple's permission) of

by boris 6y ago

Here is a previous discussion of a similar tool that also lists some of the limitations (like inability to use bridged networking without Apple's permission) of using Virtualization.framework: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25382529 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25382529 I am personally more interested in tools that are based on Hypervisor.framework (which as I understand offers lower-level support for virtualization). Anyone knows what is the current state of Qemu support for M1 (last time I heard there were some out-of-tree patches)?

gorgoiler 6y ago
I won’t repeat any more outrage on the matter, but the requirement for permission seems so unlike the way things used to be with everyone’s favourite translucent NextStepish FreeBSDlike OS. Oh how I long for the days when the most controversial thing about Mac OS X was that it included some, gasp, GNU tools.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > the requirement for permission seems so unlike the way things used to be It's not 1997 anymore. Security needs have changed over time. With modern systems, running unknown code is vastly riskier than it was 20 years ago.
  - gorgoiler 6y ago
    I see what you mean but I don’t know it’s that simple. There have always been unspoken dividing lines between software based on reputation. Systems software. Utilities. Trusted apps. Speculative apps from less well know authors. Web Browsers that run the most dangerous code of all: webpages. Sliding down the loss-of-permissions slope seems to mean that everything is untrusted these days and nothing counts as part of the club anymore, unless it’s shipped by the vendor. What made Mac OS X so wonderful was that the vendor seemed humble. They shipped their glitter but it was on top of an open system. Third parties were kept at arms length if they were apps but underneath — if you knew what you were doing enough to know there was an underneath — the choices were yours to make. Those choices were taken away. I use Linux now.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      Went the other way, from Linux to the Mac. Don't have a lot of problems with permissions and whatnot getting in the way of what I'm doing. When I used Linux (it's been a while), I got tired of having problems doing basic things like setting up wifi so I just switched and haven't regretted it yet.

by boris 6y ago

gorgoiler 6y ago

I won’t repeat any more outrage on the matter, but the requirement for permission seems so unlike the way things used to be with everyone’s favourite translucent NextStepish FreeBSDlike OS. Oh how I long for the days when the most controversial thing about Mac OS X was that it included some, gasp, GNU tools.

ogre_codes 6y ago
> the requirement for permission seems so unlike the way things used to be It's not 1997 anymore. Security needs have changed over time. With modern systems, running unknown code is vastly riskier than it was 20 years ago.
- gorgoiler 6y ago
  I see what you mean but I don’t know it’s that simple. There have always been unspoken dividing lines between software based on reputation. Systems software. Utilities. Trusted apps. Speculative apps from less well know authors. Web Browsers that run the most dangerous code of all: webpages. Sliding down the loss-of-permissions slope seems to mean that everything is untrusted these days and nothing counts as part of the club anymore, unless it’s shipped by the vendor. What made Mac OS X so wonderful was that the vendor seemed humble. They shipped their glitter but it was on top of an open system. Third parties were kept at arms length if they were apps but underneath — if you knew what you were doing enough to know there was an underneath — the choices were yours to make. Those choices were taken away. I use Linux now.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Went the other way, from Linux to the Mac. Don't have a lot of problems with permissions and whatnot getting in the way of what I'm doing. When I used Linux (it's been a while), I got tired of having problems doing basic things like setting up wifi so I just switched and haven't regretted it yet.