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I think you're underestimating the amount of latency that the human ear can detect. If the audio is as little as 10 ms out of sync, either way, someone will no

I think you're underestimating the amount of latency that the human ear can detect. If the audio is as little as 10 ms out of sync, either way, someone will notice that.

kilnr 6y ago
How does this impact large orchestras? Some of these musicians have got to be (way) over 10 m apart. Even 10 m at the speed of sound is almost 30 ms.
- saberdancer 6y ago
  That is the role of a conductor. He hears the piece as it should be heard and is active participant in "tuning" it. My understanding is that he can slow down/speed up various performers to get them in sync. Performers need to learn to ignore the rest and play their instrument while looking at the conductor.
- pishpash 6y ago
  That's why they rely on light in addition to sound: watching the conductor, watching each other.
xavriley 6y ago
Sound travels at ~1ft per ms in air so 10ms equivalent to being 10ft away. Sure, you notice the lag at that distance but it’s still possible. 30ms (or 30ft) is the point at which I would give up on trying to play rhythmic music well. That said 30ms latency is a lot of wiggle room where the speed of light is involved
- pishpash 6y ago
  People watch each other to synchronize. Problem with network latency is the visual latency isn't any better than aural latency, unlike on a stage.
4ec0755f5522 6y ago
Depends on what sound you are measuring. A single drum hit where one channel is delayed by 10ms is very audible. Would a violin and cello player have issues playing together if one was delayed by 10ms though? Could anyone hear that in the audio itself, or even detect it in their performance at all? That seems a very different thing.
saurik 6y ago
And I think you are underestimating the speed of light ;P. The round-trip latency (twice my distance) from my apartment in Santa Barbara to servers I have in Nevada and Northern California is 20ms, making me the equivalent of like 11ft away from those places by sound. If I were communicating within San Francisco or Los Angeles I should trivially be able to hit 3ms round trip times.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  In theory, maybe. In practice, you'll probably be limited to about 15ms round trip.

I think you're underestimating the amount of latency that the human ear can detect. If the audio is as little as 10 ms out of sync, either way, someone will notice that.

kilnr 6y ago

How does this impact large orchestras? Some of these musicians have got to be (way) over 10 m apart. Even 10 m at the speed of sound is almost 30 ms.

saberdancer 6y ago
That is the role of a conductor. He hears the piece as it should be heard and is active participant in "tuning" it. My understanding is that he can slow down/speed up various performers to get them in sync. Performers need to learn to ignore the rest and play their instrument while looking at the conductor.
pishpash 6y ago
That's why they rely on light in addition to sound: watching the conductor, watching each other.

xavriley 6y ago

Sound travels at ~1ft per ms in air so 10ms equivalent to being 10ft away. Sure, you notice the lag at that distance but it’s still possible. 30ms (or 30ft) is the point at which I would give up on trying to play rhythmic music well. That said 30ms latency is a lot of wiggle room where the speed of light is involved

pishpash 6y ago
People watch each other to synchronize. Problem with network latency is the visual latency isn't any better than aural latency, unlike on a stage.

4ec0755f5522 6y ago

Depends on what sound you are measuring. A single drum hit where one channel is delayed by 10ms is very audible. Would a violin and cello player have issues playing together if one was delayed by 10ms though? Could anyone hear that in the audio itself, or even detect it in their performance at all? That seems a very different thing.

saurik 6y ago

And I think you are underestimating the speed of light ;P. The round-trip latency (twice my distance) from my apartment in Santa Barbara to servers I have in Nevada and Northern California is 20ms, making me the equivalent of like 11ft away from those places by sound. If I were communicating within San Francisco or Los Angeles I should trivially be able to hit 3ms round trip times.

pmiller2 6y ago
In theory, maybe. In practice, you'll probably be limited to about 15ms round trip.