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This is my first encounter with the term, so forgive me if I’m using it wring, but it feels like this convo was literally motte and bailey’d. Op: don’t link te
by kennywinker 6y ago
This is my first encounter with the term, so forgive me if I’m using it wring, but it feels like this convo was literally motte and bailey’d.
Op: don’t link testosterone and violence - the real problem is toxic masculinity not testosterone a thing all men have.
Someone: you’re not doing this, but toxic masculinity is a motte and bailey
Someone else: no it’s a well defined idea
You, moving the goalpost: how the term is used socially it is
If someone is using the term as you suggested, by all means call out their actions. But if they are not - as op did - why bring this up?
Personally I find the idea of toxic masculinity a useful tool to understand and categorize the things society is telling me i should aspire to, many of which are harmful to who I am personally
- hydradiego 6y agoI thought the convo was: OP made an otherwise valid, neutral point, then bundled in a defense of a hotly contested phrase, purporting to tell us what it "really" means. jbboehr responded that this was a motte-and-bailey. UncleMeat was like, no it's not, so I tried clarifying what I thought jbboehr was getting at.