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>>Tesosterone is also linked to a greater sense of fair play, both as the recipient and the benefact I speculate that is likely why libertarianism is the most

>>Tesosterone is also linked to a greater sense of fair play, both as the recipient and the benefact I speculate that is likely why libertarianism is the most male-dominated political ideology, and its adherents have the highest income levels. Testosterone could also explain why libertarians are the most-rational/least-emotional of the political typologies: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22927928/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22927928/

deanCommie 6y ago
Not emotional does not guarantee rational. Rational does not guarantee correct, if you don't consider all the variables. Anecdotally, I find Libertarians are just as susceptible as people of all political parties of being selective with arguments that support their points of view, and ignoring others. What is unique to Libertarians I know is an arrogance about the objective correctness (because of their lack of emotion and rationality) of their philosophy.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  Libertarians are only slightly more rational than liberals. Both are significantly more rational and less emotional than conservatives. >>Rational does not guarantee correct, if you don't consider all the variables. Of course, but a rational mindset is more likely to base its beliefs on evidence and logically sound suppositions, and thus be correct, than an emotional one. >>What is unique to Libertarians I know is an arrogance about the objective correctness (because of their lack of emotion and rationality) of their philosophy. I think the willingness of adherents of non-libertarian ideologies to use the force of the state to force peaceful people to bend to their will reveals a greater arrogance. I find "live and let live" to show the greatest humility, but I suppose this is all subjective.
  - bambataa 6y ago
    > Libertarians are only slightly more rational than liberals. Both are significantly more rational and less emotional than conservatives. What is your basis for that claim? Go on r/conservative and you’ll see plenty claiming the opposite.
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago
      According to this study, Figure 4: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22927928/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22927928/
      - bambataa 6y ago
        What’s the basis for saying that’s “significant”? (Genuine question — I’m not familiar with the metric and the differences seem small)
        CryptoPunk 6y ago
        That's how the study described it IIRC.
KozmoNau7 6y ago
Ah no. Libertarianism is dominated by men precisely because it primarily attracts those with high incomes, and men have higher incomes in general. It also attracts people with an egotistical streak and those with low empathy, plus those with a high confidence in their own rationality. They did not become all of those things by being libertarian, they became libertarians because that ideology attracts people who are comfortable in life and focus more on individual personal gain than on an empathetic society that benefits everyone more equally.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  I know it's entirely anecdotal, but I was a hardcore libertarian long before I had any income. There are literally Youtube videos of me from way back in a run down apartment, espousing libertarianism. >>It also attracts people with an egotistical streak and those with low empathy High ego and low empathy is also correlated with testosterone. The silver lining is the sense of fair play mentioned by the parent comment, as well as imperviousness to superficial peripheral traits that appeal to emotion. I remember reading that libertarianism appeals to the stereotypically male mind, but I don't know if the studies that conclusion was based on controlled for income.
  - KozmoNau7 6y ago
    That "sense of fair play" only applies when "fair" is defined as something that adheres to the libertarian's personal definition of what is rational. Die hard libertarians in my circle of acquaintances have argued against stores hiding away tobacco products to discourage smoking as irrational, because they see making as much profit as possible as the only rational objective. When you can define anything you personally believe in to be rational, all your opponents automatically become irrational because they disagree with your enlightened position. Since they are irrational, their arguments can be dismissed out of hand. It is an extremely arrogant worldview. Believing that it makes you impervious to emotional arguments just makes it even more arrogant.
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago

deanCommie 6y ago

Not emotional does not guarantee rational. Rational does not guarantee correct, if you don't consider all the variables. Anecdotally, I find Libertarians are just as susceptible as people of all political parties of being selective with arguments that support their points of view, and ignoring others. What is unique to Libertarians I know is an arrogance about the objective correctness (because of their lack of emotion and rationality) of their philosophy.

CryptoPunk 6y ago
Libertarians are only slightly more rational than liberals. Both are significantly more rational and less emotional than conservatives. >>Rational does not guarantee correct, if you don't consider all the variables. Of course, but a rational mindset is more likely to base its beliefs on evidence and logically sound suppositions, and thus be correct, than an emotional one. >>What is unique to Libertarians I know is an arrogance about the objective correctness (because of their lack of emotion and rationality) of their philosophy. I think the willingness of adherents of non-libertarian ideologies to use the force of the state to force peaceful people to bend to their will reveals a greater arrogance. I find "live and let live" to show the greatest humility, but I suppose this is all subjective.
- bambataa 6y ago
  > Libertarians are only slightly more rational than liberals. Both are significantly more rational and less emotional than conservatives. What is your basis for that claim? Go on r/conservative and you’ll see plenty claiming the opposite.
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago
    According to this study, Figure 4: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22927928/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22927928/
    - bambataa 6y ago
      What’s the basis for saying that’s “significant”? (Genuine question — I’m not familiar with the metric and the differences seem small)
      - CryptoPunk 6y ago
        That's how the study described it IIRC.

KozmoNau7 6y ago

Ah no. Libertarianism is dominated by men precisely because it primarily attracts those with high incomes, and men have higher incomes in general. It also attracts people with an egotistical streak and those with low empathy, plus those with a high confidence in their own rationality. They did not become all of those things by being libertarian, they became libertarians because that ideology attracts people who are comfortable in life and focus more on individual personal gain than on an empathetic society that benefits everyone more equally.

CryptoPunk 6y ago
I know it's entirely anecdotal, but I was a hardcore libertarian long before I had any income. There are literally Youtube videos of me from way back in a run down apartment, espousing libertarianism. >>It also attracts people with an egotistical streak and those with low empathy High ego and low empathy is also correlated with testosterone. The silver lining is the sense of fair play mentioned by the parent comment, as well as imperviousness to superficial peripheral traits that appeal to emotion. I remember reading that libertarianism appeals to the stereotypically male mind, but I don't know if the studies that conclusion was based on controlled for income.
- KozmoNau7 6y ago
  That "sense of fair play" only applies when "fair" is defined as something that adheres to the libertarian's personal definition of what is rational. Die hard libertarians in my circle of acquaintances have argued against stores hiding away tobacco products to discourage smoking as irrational, because they see making as much profit as possible as the only rational objective. When you can define anything you personally believe in to be rational, all your opponents automatically become irrational because they disagree with your enlightened position. Since they are irrational, their arguments can be dismissed out of hand. It is an extremely arrogant worldview. Believing that it makes you impervious to emotional arguments just makes it even more arrogant.
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago