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Interesting -- i wonder what kind of tricks evolved to better arrange windows? Zooming around without knowing "the lay of the window landscape" sounds like it

Interesting -- i wonder what kind of tricks evolved to better arrange windows? Zooming around without knowing "the lay of the window landscape" sounds like it could get tricky as you expand the amount of window state to a very wide range. I could imagine this kind of system might necessitate invention of actual good way of auto-rearrange-all-windows strategies? I don't see windows themselves as a bad thing -- it's having to arrange them that I don't like and wish the os could define conventions for window placement to allow the system to "do what i want" more often without me having to fight it by moving a window around...

GekkePrutser 6y ago
Yours sounds like the ideal usecase to try out tiled window managers, it's just the thing you're looking for!
- alexisread 6y ago
  In addition, I think it depends on your input methods- a single mouse is going to be a little awkward, but touchscreen, dual mice or eg. Occulus controllers (ie. VR) open up several possibilities. Really Occulus should be great for CAD as it's a fast interface, but we're not there yet.
  - GekkePrutser 6y ago
    That's also one thing I was thinking of when I read about the zooming thing. VR might be a new chance for Oberon to win out as a new paradigm. For a 3D based file/document manager, with 3D space instead of infinite zooming. Not sure how that would work but it's clear that the current way of actually working in VR is not efficient. Usually some curved virtual screens are presented and you're left to feel around for your actual keyboard & mouse for input. Talking about stuff like Virtual Desktop and https://immersedvr.com https://immersedvr.com . For example, why do you still have virtual 'monitors' in VR, why not have the windows free floating? It's only a retro constraint that makes no sense anymore. It's like a vegetarian eating veggie burgers at McDonalds. Yeah it works, but it's mainly for 'conversion'/familiarity purposes and doesn't get the most out of the new paradigm.

GekkePrutser 6y ago

Yours sounds like the ideal usecase to try out tiled window managers, it's just the thing you're looking for!

alexisread 6y ago
In addition, I think it depends on your input methods- a single mouse is going to be a little awkward, but touchscreen, dual mice or eg. Occulus controllers (ie. VR) open up several possibilities. Really Occulus should be great for CAD as it's a fast interface, but we're not there yet.
- GekkePrutser 6y ago
  That's also one thing I was thinking of when I read about the zooming thing. VR might be a new chance for Oberon to win out as a new paradigm. For a 3D based file/document manager, with 3D space instead of infinite zooming. Not sure how that would work but it's clear that the current way of actually working in VR is not efficient. Usually some curved virtual screens are presented and you're left to feel around for your actual keyboard & mouse for input. Talking about stuff like Virtual Desktop and https://immersedvr.com https://immersedvr.com . For example, why do you still have virtual 'monitors' in VR, why not have the windows free floating? It's only a retro constraint that makes no sense anymore. It's like a vegetarian eating veggie burgers at McDonalds. Yeah it works, but it's mainly for 'conversion'/familiarity purposes and doesn't get the most out of the new paradigm.