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A tweet versus an FBI press briefing[1] where they discuss charging hundreds of people with federal crimes, including conspiracy to commit sedition. A tweet ve

A tweet versus an FBI press briefing[1] where they discuss charging hundreds of people with federal crimes, including conspiracy to commit sedition. A tweet versus a statement from the Joint Chiefs of Staff that said, "The violent riot in Washington, D.C., on January 6, 2021, was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process."[2] The whataboutism continues to be unreal. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-and-fbi-leaders-noticeably-absent-since-riot-11610466822 https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-and-fbi-lead... [2] https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/12/unprecedented-joint-letter-top-generals-denounce-us-capitol-riot.html https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/12/unprecedented...

panny 6y ago
>conspiracy to commit sedition It's somewhat amusing to me that you think this is evidence in your favor. The media narrative for impeachment was that Trump commanded his legion of protestors to go destroy the capitol building. A "coup"! The reality is the planned attack began before his protestors could have moved from the ellipse at the end of his speech to the capitol. The FBI is stating there was a seditious false flag conspiracy planned by BLM/Antifa activists to instigate an attack the capitol and place blame on Trump's protestors. John Sullivan from Utah is a professional rioter and BLM/Antifa activist. Capitol police tried to let him off without charges: https://twitter.com/Millie__Weaver/status/1347722833024200707 https://twitter.com/Millie__Weaver/status/134772283302420070... He has now been indicted by the federal government. https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download Giuliani did a pretty good walkthrough with John Sullivan's own video if you care to watch that, https://rumble.com/vcrzrr-january-6th-another-frame-up-rudy-giuliani-ep.-102.html https://rumble.com/vcrzrr-january-6th-another-frame-up-rudy-... The "violent coup" narrative was instigated by some of the same people who rioted all summer long.
- nicoffeine 6y ago
  > The FBI is stating there was a seditious false flag conspiracy planned by BLM/Antifa activists "FBI Assistant Director Steven D’Antuono said Friday there is no evidence that antifa activists were involved in the violent riots in and around the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, debunking the baseless conspiracy theory propagated by several prominent Republican lawmakers and right-wing pundits that anti-fascist leftists—not a pro-Trump mob—were responsible for death and destruction at the Capitol."[1] There's a live list of related filings on Law Fare[2]. Here are three excerpts: > United States v. Nicholas Rodean (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, 1:21-mj-28) > Media coverage of these events showed one of the rioters who entered the Capitol building dressed in a red hat that appeared to have the word “Trump” on it, carrying a large red flag reading “Trump is My President,” and wearing an apparent badge from the individual’s place of employment. The individual appears to be a Caucasian male with a beard. The screenshots below of photographs posted on media sites show this individual in the halls of Congress. In the first image below, the individual is on the far right. Rodean is currently in custody awaiting trial. > United States v. Richard Barnett (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, no case number present yet) > On the same date, BARNETT spoke to media outlets in a video recording. In the recording, BARNETT is wearing the same hat and plaid jacket as worn inside of the Speaker’s office except that BARNETT appears to have removed his shirt. BARNETT is asked by a person off camera how BARNETT obtained an envelope he is holding, which was addressed to The Honorable Billy Long 2453 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 with a return address of Office of the Speaker U.S. House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 and a digital signature of Nancy Pelosi. BARNETT states “I did not steal it. I bled on it because they were macing me and I couldn’t fucking see so I figured I am in her office. I got blood on her office. I put a quarter on her desk even though she ain’t fucking worth it. And I left her a note on her desk that says “Nancy, Bigo was here, you Bitch.” Barnett is currently in custody awaiting trial. > United States v. Jacob Anthony Chansley (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, 1:21-mj-18) > Several media outlets subsequently identified this individual as Jacob Anthony CHANSLEY, a.k.a. Jake Angeli. Your affiant has confirmed this identification of CHANSLEY. First, the photographs of CHANSLEY in the U.S. Capitol display unique attire and extensive tattoos covering his arms and the left side of his torso. Your affiant has viewed pictures posted to the Facebook account for Jake Angeli on December 13, 2020, in which CHANSLEY bears these same distinctive attire and tattoos. In addition, CHANSLEY has a YouTube channel under the name Jacob Chansley, on which a video posted of CHANSLEY from 2019 shows CHANSLEY with sleeve tattoos on the lower half of his arms consistent with the sleeve tattoos CHANSLEY displays in photographs taken in the Capitol on January 6, 2021. Finally, CHANSLEY has also been identified by law enforcement through open source data bases, including his Arizona DMV driver’s license photo, as the person depicted inside the Capitol and on the Senate dais on January 6, 2021. Chansley is currently in custody awaiting trial. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-chaos/?sh=1d6229836379 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evi... [2] https://www.lawfareblog.com/compiling-criminal-charges-following-capitol-riot https://www.lawfareblog.com/compiling-criminal-charges-follo...
  - panny 6y ago
    You're now ignoring what I've presented and talking past me. The justice.gov link explicitly states: "SULLIVAN is the leader of an organization called Insurgence USA through which he organizes protests" He is not a Trump supporter. He's a professional rioter and instigator. This is filed Jan 13, well after your supposed "debunking" media spin from Jan 8. The affidavit filed indicates Sullivan was there to instigate and turn a peaceful protest into violence. Nobody is stating there were zero Trump supporters present. To the contrary, there's ample video evidence that capitol police opened the gates, waved Trump supporters in, and held the doors for them as they entered the capitol. That's a strange thing for police to do during a "seditious coup."
    - nicoffeine 6y ago
      > As to whether the DOJ or FBI has seen any evidence of ANTIFA infiltrators taking part in Wednesday’s riots at the Capitol. > “We have no indication of that at this time,” said Ken Kohl, a senior official in the Washington DC US Attorney’s Office. -Jake Gibson, DOJ Producer for Fox News https://twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1347619781944467464 https://twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1347619781944467464 As multiple news reports will tell you -- if you have the courage to read -- D’Antuono is not the only person within the DOJ who has said that there is no evidence linking antifa to the insurrection. You can't trust Fox News journalists, or any journalism from NBC, ABC, CBS, Forbes, WSJ... what's left?
- dang 6y ago
  Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN and stop using HN for political battle. We ban accounts that do those things. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - panny 6y ago
    Weird. I thought nicoffeine and I were having a pretty calm reasonable discussion there. I took no offense to anything that was said. I simply felt it was necessary to point out information that nicoffeine didn't seem aware of... like people do in normal discussions. I didn't realize merely posting affidavits from the DoJ was considered political flamewars by anyone. It's a dry read, but it's unadulterated first party sourcing of fact.

panny 6y ago

>conspiracy to commit sedition It's somewhat amusing to me that you think this is evidence in your favor. The media narrative for impeachment was that Trump commanded his legion of protestors to go destroy the capitol building. A "coup"! The reality is the planned attack began before his protestors could have moved from the ellipse at the end of his speech to the capitol. The FBI is stating there was a seditious false flag conspiracy planned by BLM/Antifa activists to instigate an attack the capitol and place blame on Trump's protestors. John Sullivan from Utah is a professional rioter and BLM/Antifa activist. Capitol police tried to let him off without charges: https://twitter.com/Millie__Weaver/status/1347722833024200707 https://twitter.com/Millie__Weaver/status/134772283302420070... He has now been indicted by the federal government. https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download Giuliani did a pretty good walkthrough with John Sullivan's own video if you care to watch that, https://rumble.com/vcrzrr-january-6th-another-frame-up-rudy-giuliani-ep.-102.html https://rumble.com/vcrzrr-january-6th-another-frame-up-rudy-... The "violent coup" narrative was instigated by some of the same people who rioted all summer long.

nicoffeine 6y ago
> The FBI is stating there was a seditious false flag conspiracy planned by BLM/Antifa activists "FBI Assistant Director Steven D’Antuono said Friday there is no evidence that antifa activists were involved in the violent riots in and around the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, debunking the baseless conspiracy theory propagated by several prominent Republican lawmakers and right-wing pundits that anti-fascist leftists—not a pro-Trump mob—were responsible for death and destruction at the Capitol."[1] There's a live list of related filings on Law Fare[2]. Here are three excerpts: > United States v. Nicholas Rodean (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, 1:21-mj-28) > Media coverage of these events showed one of the rioters who entered the Capitol building dressed in a red hat that appeared to have the word “Trump” on it, carrying a large red flag reading “Trump is My President,” and wearing an apparent badge from the individual’s place of employment. The individual appears to be a Caucasian male with a beard. The screenshots below of photographs posted on media sites show this individual in the halls of Congress. In the first image below, the individual is on the far right. Rodean is currently in custody awaiting trial. > United States v. Richard Barnett (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, no case number present yet) > On the same date, BARNETT spoke to media outlets in a video recording. In the recording, BARNETT is wearing the same hat and plaid jacket as worn inside of the Speaker’s office except that BARNETT appears to have removed his shirt. BARNETT is asked by a person off camera how BARNETT obtained an envelope he is holding, which was addressed to The Honorable Billy Long 2453 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 with a return address of Office of the Speaker U.S. House of Representatives Washington, D.C. 20515 and a digital signature of Nancy Pelosi. BARNETT states “I did not steal it. I bled on it because they were macing me and I couldn’t fucking see so I figured I am in her office. I got blood on her office. I put a quarter on her desk even though she ain’t fucking worth it. And I left her a note on her desk that says “Nancy, Bigo was here, you Bitch.” Barnett is currently in custody awaiting trial. > United States v. Jacob Anthony Chansley (U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, 1:21-mj-18) > Several media outlets subsequently identified this individual as Jacob Anthony CHANSLEY, a.k.a. Jake Angeli. Your affiant has confirmed this identification of CHANSLEY. First, the photographs of CHANSLEY in the U.S. Capitol display unique attire and extensive tattoos covering his arms and the left side of his torso. Your affiant has viewed pictures posted to the Facebook account for Jake Angeli on December 13, 2020, in which CHANSLEY bears these same distinctive attire and tattoos. In addition, CHANSLEY has a YouTube channel under the name Jacob Chansley, on which a video posted of CHANSLEY from 2019 shows CHANSLEY with sleeve tattoos on the lower half of his arms consistent with the sleeve tattoos CHANSLEY displays in photographs taken in the Capitol on January 6, 2021. Finally, CHANSLEY has also been identified by law enforcement through open source data bases, including his Arizona DMV driver’s license photo, as the person depicted inside the Capitol and on the Senate dais on January 6, 2021. Chansley is currently in custody awaiting trial. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evidence-antifa-involved-in-capitol-chaos/?sh=1d6229836379 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/01/08/fbi-no-evi... [2] https://www.lawfareblog.com/compiling-criminal-charges-following-capitol-riot https://www.lawfareblog.com/compiling-criminal-charges-follo...
- panny 6y ago
  You're now ignoring what I've presented and talking past me. The justice.gov link explicitly states: "SULLIVAN is the leader of an organization called Insurgence USA through which he organizes protests" He is not a Trump supporter. He's a professional rioter and instigator. This is filed Jan 13, well after your supposed "debunking" media spin from Jan 8. The affidavit filed indicates Sullivan was there to instigate and turn a peaceful protest into violence. Nobody is stating there were zero Trump supporters present. To the contrary, there's ample video evidence that capitol police opened the gates, waved Trump supporters in, and held the doors for them as they entered the capitol. That's a strange thing for police to do during a "seditious coup."
  - nicoffeine 6y ago
    > As to whether the DOJ or FBI has seen any evidence of ANTIFA infiltrators taking part in Wednesday’s riots at the Capitol. > “We have no indication of that at this time,” said Ken Kohl, a senior official in the Washington DC US Attorney’s Office. -Jake Gibson, DOJ Producer for Fox News https://twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1347619781944467464 https://twitter.com/JakeBGibson/status/1347619781944467464 As multiple news reports will tell you -- if you have the courage to read -- D’Antuono is not the only person within the DOJ who has said that there is no evidence linking antifa to the insurrection. You can't trust Fox News journalists, or any journalism from NBC, ABC, CBS, Forbes, WSJ... what's left?
dang 6y ago
Please stop posting flamewar comments to HN and stop using HN for political battle. We ban accounts that do those things. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- panny 6y ago
  Weird. I thought nicoffeine and I were having a pretty calm reasonable discussion there. I took no offense to anything that was said. I simply felt it was necessary to point out information that nicoffeine didn't seem aware of... like people do in normal discussions. I didn't realize merely posting affidavits from the DoJ was considered political flamewars by anyone. It's a dry read, but it's unadulterated first party sourcing of fact.