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If you google "court declares oklahoma belongs to native americans" you'll get dozens of articles about it from 6mo ago.

VWWHFSfQ 6y ago
Thanks yeah, that's definitely the case. I'm trying to find the other details regarding the issue of revoking the public access and developing areas around some public-access lake that was on the land.
- resoluteteeth 6y ago
  I don't think McGirt v. Oklahoma actually gave ownership of the land to Native Americans. It might seem that being on reservation land would mean that but apparently it doesn't.
  - User23 6y ago
    I wonder if anyone has tried not paying their US jurisdiction property taxes that lives on supposedly Indian land now.
    - TeaDrunk 6y ago
      Usually what ends up happening is that various treaties will be set up such that the Oklahoma state government and the relevant indigenous nation would collaborate on the governance of the area.
      - bluGill 6y ago
        for the most part states and the reservations within them are on good enough terms these days for such a thing to happen. It benefits both sides to take care of these issues. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of "misunderstandings". However it isn't like 150 years ago when states believed "the only good Indian is a dead Indian."
    - beerandt 6y ago
      For a few things, it really is like being in another country. Some tribes used to require you to pay traffic tickets on the spot, because they had no legal recourse once you left the reservation. Guess how I know... And yea, there are even fairly recent cases even saying States can't collect road taxes on trucks driving between reservations, on state highways. Taxes are one of the clearest exemptions spelled out not just in the treaties, but in the actual US Constitution.
- TeaDrunk 6y ago
  I've heard of half of Oklahoma being declared Indian country but I haven't at all heard that public services were revoked and casinos were set up. We'd also hella hear about it because it would mean Tulsa would've been forcibly removed as a city! This isn't a speculation of malice, but I will say narratives like that were precisely the false and sometimes racist presumptions that had to be fought in that case! Oklahoma was claiming as soon as the land is declared Indian country, the tribes would let all the rapists and murderers out of the state prisons.
  - stretchcat 6y ago
    > [...] the false and sometimes racist presumptions [...] Oklahoma was claiming as soon as the land is declared Indian country, the tribes would let all the rapists and murderers out of the state prisons. That probably has a lot more to do with the Jimcy McGirt of McGirt vs Oklahoma being a convicted child rapist, trying to get out of prison...

VWWHFSfQ 6y ago

Thanks yeah, that's definitely the case. I'm trying to find the other details regarding the issue of revoking the public access and developing areas around some public-access lake that was on the land.

resoluteteeth 6y ago
I don't think McGirt v. Oklahoma actually gave ownership of the land to Native Americans. It might seem that being on reservation land would mean that but apparently it doesn't.
- User23 6y ago
  I wonder if anyone has tried not paying their US jurisdiction property taxes that lives on supposedly Indian land now.
  - TeaDrunk 6y ago
    Usually what ends up happening is that various treaties will be set up such that the Oklahoma state government and the relevant indigenous nation would collaborate on the governance of the area.
    - bluGill 6y ago
      for the most part states and the reservations within them are on good enough terms these days for such a thing to happen. It benefits both sides to take care of these issues. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of "misunderstandings". However it isn't like 150 years ago when states believed "the only good Indian is a dead Indian."
  - beerandt 6y ago
    For a few things, it really is like being in another country. Some tribes used to require you to pay traffic tickets on the spot, because they had no legal recourse once you left the reservation. Guess how I know... And yea, there are even fairly recent cases even saying States can't collect road taxes on trucks driving between reservations, on state highways. Taxes are one of the clearest exemptions spelled out not just in the treaties, but in the actual US Constitution.
TeaDrunk 6y ago
I've heard of half of Oklahoma being declared Indian country but I haven't at all heard that public services were revoked and casinos were set up. We'd also hella hear about it because it would mean Tulsa would've been forcibly removed as a city! This isn't a speculation of malice, but I will say narratives like that were precisely the false and sometimes racist presumptions that had to be fought in that case! Oklahoma was claiming as soon as the land is declared Indian country, the tribes would let all the rapists and murderers out of the state prisons.
- stretchcat 6y ago
  > [...] the false and sometimes racist presumptions [...] Oklahoma was claiming as soon as the land is declared Indian country, the tribes would let all the rapists and murderers out of the state prisons. That probably has a lot more to do with the Jimcy McGirt of McGirt vs Oklahoma being a convicted child rapist, trying to get out of prison...