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Meanwhile, Barton Gellman, who also worked with Snowden, has kept churning out great reporting [0], while Greenwald and Poitras kept trying to ride on the coatt

by nr2x 6y ago

Meanwhile, Barton Gellman, who also worked with Snowden, has kept churning out great reporting [0], while Greenwald and Poitras kept trying to ride on the coattails of Snowden long past the point of relevance. [0] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if...

kome 6y ago
Greenwald did a quite an amazing job with Bolsonaro. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/americas/glenn-greenwald-brazil-bolsonaro-cybercrimes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/americas/glenn-gree...
- nr2x 6y ago
  Fair, that's a good point.
  - yepnopemaybe 6y ago
    Greenwald's work exposing the corruption of Sérgio Moro dwarfs his work exposing the NSA. Essentially, he obtained documents that proved Moro stage managed the prosecution's arguments in the case that banned incumbent President Lula da Silva from seeking reelection. This cleared the field for Bolsenaro, who put Moro in charge of the federal judiciary. Where Greenwald's reporting on NSA changed neither policy or public opinion, his reporting on Moro has transformed the political situation in Brazil and caused Moro to resign.
DevKoala 6y ago
How is this relevant? Poitras is highlighting that an informant was not protected accordingly, and that the Intercept is no longer a trustworthy resource.
- nr2x 6y ago
  I think the Intercept discredited themselves as a place for sources to go after Reality Winner got arrested, so I've never seen the point of the enterprise past that event. Otherwise, my point is more she's complaining about being fired, but as far as I can tell, she hasn't produced much reporting. I still respect what she and Greenwald did, but I think Gellman has actually continued doing good work whereas they haven't impressed me as much past the one big scoop.
jancsika 6y ago
At least wrt Greenwald, the upshot of your comment is that you don't pay attention to news out of Brazil. He's done some pretty important investigative stories there, one of which they tried to indict him for. None of those stories had to do with the Snowden leaks. He also continues to rewrite/update the same plodding OpEd about how no one should forget that Democratic apparatchiks and pundits are also hypocritical, self-serving and untrustworthy asshats. Not the most incisive journalism by any metric, but again unrelated to Snowden leaks.

by nr2x 6y ago

kome 6y ago

Greenwald did a quite an amazing job with Bolsonaro. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/americas/glenn-greenwald-brazil-bolsonaro-cybercrimes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/25/world/americas/glenn-gree...

nr2x 6y ago
Fair, that's a good point.
- yepnopemaybe 6y ago
  Greenwald's work exposing the corruption of Sérgio Moro dwarfs his work exposing the NSA. Essentially, he obtained documents that proved Moro stage managed the prosecution's arguments in the case that banned incumbent President Lula da Silva from seeking reelection. This cleared the field for Bolsenaro, who put Moro in charge of the federal judiciary. Where Greenwald's reporting on NSA changed neither policy or public opinion, his reporting on Moro has transformed the political situation in Brazil and caused Moro to resign.

DevKoala 6y ago

How is this relevant? Poitras is highlighting that an informant was not protected accordingly, and that the Intercept is no longer a trustworthy resource.

nr2x 6y ago
I think the Intercept discredited themselves as a place for sources to go after Reality Winner got arrested, so I've never seen the point of the enterprise past that event. Otherwise, my point is more she's complaining about being fired, but as far as I can tell, she hasn't produced much reporting. I still respect what she and Greenwald did, but I think Gellman has actually continued doing good work whereas they haven't impressed me as much past the one big scoop.

jancsika 6y ago

At least wrt Greenwald, the upshot of your comment is that you don't pay attention to news out of Brazil. He's done some pretty important investigative stories there, one of which they tried to indict him for. None of those stories had to do with the Snowden leaks. He also continues to rewrite/update the same plodding OpEd about how no one should forget that Democratic apparatchiks and pundits are also hypocritical, self-serving and untrustworthy asshats. Not the most incisive journalism by any metric, but again unrelated to Snowden leaks.