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[citation needed] There is plenty of scientific research on the topic. "Testosterone == violence" is plain wrong. In some papers, partial correlation was indic

[citation needed] There is plenty of scientific research on the topic. "Testosterone == violence" is plain wrong. In some papers, partial correlation was indicated. The belief that testosterone is some sort of "manly warrior hormone" is an example of cultural bias that has been researched as well (see google scholar) and fits very well the description of "toxic masculinity".

jeffreyrogers 6y ago
You didn't refute what I said at all. Testosterone levels are linked to violent behavior. This is very clear in the literature. Does it mean everyone with high testosterone levels is violent? Obviously not. And violence is not always a bad trait either. I don't believe in toxic masculinity. Masculine and feminine traits have their place and are obviously adaptive in different situations.
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  > You didn't refute what I said at all. And I don't intend to. The topic is big enough for a degree and specialization in endocrinology. I recommend to read the books from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky or at the very least watch all his lectures on youtube. > I don't believe in toxic masculinity. Masculine and feminine traits have You are confusing "toxic masculinity" with "masculinity is toxic" "toxic work culture" does not mean "work is toxic"
  - jeffreyrogers 6y ago
    I'm not confusing the two. I don't think "toxic masculinity" is a meaningful concept.
tachyonbeam 6y ago
It looks like it's more complex than just testosterone, but there is a link between testosterone and risk-aversion: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X17301466 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X1... There's a biological basis for men being less risk-averse than women. If you think about cavemen days, as a woman, if you are pregnant, or could be pregnant, going hunting, making physical threats, or taking unnecessary risks will reduce your chances of reproductive success. It's better to be safe and conservative, because the life of your children could be at stake. As a male, in primitive times, it was the opposite. Obviously it wouldn't be to your advantage to just pick fights with everyone, but there is much more of a competitive dynamic. The men who go out, hunt, and bring the food, will have more success within their tribes. In order to succeed as a caveman, you had to leave the camp in a hunting party and risk getting killed. AFAIK, based on studies on mitochondrial DNA, we have 2-3x female ancestors as males. Meaning most males died childless. This is obviously not a model for how we want modern society to be, but I think it's healthy to understand where we come form, and why males may have more of a tendency for violence, or to get themselves killed in motorcycle accidents. It's not just because of socialization. There is a biological basis.
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  Quoting a single study? And with only 12 citations...

jeffreyrogers 6y ago

You didn't refute what I said at all. Testosterone levels are linked to violent behavior. This is very clear in the literature. Does it mean everyone with high testosterone levels is violent? Obviously not. And violence is not always a bad trait either. I don't believe in toxic masculinity. Masculine and feminine traits have their place and are obviously adaptive in different situations.

eeZah7Ux 6y ago
> You didn't refute what I said at all. And I don't intend to. The topic is big enough for a degree and specialization in endocrinology. I recommend to read the books from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky or at the very least watch all his lectures on youtube. > I don't believe in toxic masculinity. Masculine and feminine traits have You are confusing "toxic masculinity" with "masculinity is toxic" "toxic work culture" does not mean "work is toxic"
- jeffreyrogers 6y ago
  I'm not confusing the two. I don't think "toxic masculinity" is a meaningful concept.

tachyonbeam 6y ago

It looks like it's more complex than just testosterone, but there is a link between testosterone and risk-aversion: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X17301466 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X1... There's a biological basis for men being less risk-averse than women. If you think about cavemen days, as a woman, if you are pregnant, or could be pregnant, going hunting, making physical threats, or taking unnecessary risks will reduce your chances of reproductive success. It's better to be safe and conservative, because the life of your children could be at stake. As a male, in primitive times, it was the opposite. Obviously it wouldn't be to your advantage to just pick fights with everyone, but there is much more of a competitive dynamic. The men who go out, hunt, and bring the food, will have more success within their tribes. In order to succeed as a caveman, you had to leave the camp in a hunting party and risk getting killed. AFAIK, based on studies on mitochondrial DNA, we have 2-3x female ancestors as males. Meaning most males died childless. This is obviously not a model for how we want modern society to be, but I think it's healthy to understand where we come form, and why males may have more of a tendency for violence, or to get themselves killed in motorcycle accidents. It's not just because of socialization. There is a biological basis.

eeZah7Ux 6y ago
Quoting a single study? And with only 12 citations...