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AFAIRemember, RedHat dropped MongoDB because of "controversial SSPL" > So essentially, anyone is free to modify MongoDB. It’s only when you offer MongoDB as a

by confiq 6y ago

AFAIRemember, RedHat dropped MongoDB because of "controversial SSPL" > So essentially, anyone is free to modify MongoDB. It’s only when you offer MongoDB as a commercial service that the conditions of the SSPL state that you must open source the entire service. https://hub.packtpub.com/mongodb-withdraws-controversial-server-side-public-license-from-the-open-source-initiatives-approval-process/ https://hub.packtpub.com/mongodb-withdraws-controversial-ser... Is this a difference like GPLv2 and GPLv3? Does this means that AWS now must open internal service (probably not but I'm trying to be devil advocate)

baq 6y ago
more like the difference between GPL and Affero GPL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License
- confiq 6y ago
  I'm not sure that I can't follow them all :(
  - ignoramous 6y ago
    Long but may be helpful: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/understanding-open-source/0596005814/ch03.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/understanding-open-sour... Not an expert but usually F/OSS licenses are mainly about: - Patent grants (either grants patent-use or doesn't) - Copyleft (should modifications be open sourced. ex: AGPL is the strongest FOSS copyleft, whilst SSPL builds on it to make it even more stronger) - Copyright (owners who are licensing the code) - Warranty and Liability - Terms of use (ex: FOSS licenses don't enforce restrictions on commercial use like CommonsClause does) Ref: https://choosealicense.com/ https://choosealicense.com/
ignoramous 6y ago
AWS wouldn't, I presume, touch the 7.11 dual-licensed Elasticsearch release with a ten-foot pole. They would have to hard-fork it here on, or Gold+ partner with Elastic.co to sell Elasticsearch Service under the relatively more permissive Elastic License.
- confiq 6y ago
  what do you mean by "hard-fork" ? I thought that open distro is "hard-fork" but licence stayed apache https://github.com/opendistro-for-elasticsearch/ https://github.com/opendistro-for-elasticsearch/
  - Xylakant 6y ago
    Opendistro is primarily a set of plugins for the stock APL ES distribution, not a fork of elasticsearch proper.
    - confiq 6y ago
      I've just checked, you are right! Correct me if I'm wrong, AWS ES service still uses ES free licence but they've re-written the plugins so they won't use ES and pay ES fee? With new licence, AWS won't be able to use ES as SaaS?
      - ignoramous 6y ago
        As things stand: Yes, to both your questions.
        confiq 6y ago
        there is this twitter user that claims that non-elastic employees can't contribute[1]. I wish somebody could summarise this romance between AWS vs Elastic for simpler people because I can't catch up :( [1] https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349939801445658624 https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349939801445658624
        _msw_ 6y ago
        I didn't say that non-Elastic employees could not contribute. I said that they cannot become maintainers. Non-elastic pull requests are merged, as I mentioned in [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349814591501475840 https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349814591501475840

by confiq 6y ago

baq 6y ago

more like the difference between GPL and Affero GPL. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License

confiq 6y ago
I'm not sure that I can't follow them all :(
- ignoramous 6y ago
  Long but may be helpful: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/understanding-open-source/0596005814/ch03.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/understanding-open-sour... Not an expert but usually F/OSS licenses are mainly about: - Patent grants (either grants patent-use or doesn't) - Copyleft (should modifications be open sourced. ex: AGPL is the strongest FOSS copyleft, whilst SSPL builds on it to make it even more stronger) - Copyright (owners who are licensing the code) - Warranty and Liability - Terms of use (ex: FOSS licenses don't enforce restrictions on commercial use like CommonsClause does) Ref: https://choosealicense.com/ https://choosealicense.com/

ignoramous 6y ago

AWS wouldn't, I presume, touch the 7.11 dual-licensed Elasticsearch release with a ten-foot pole. They would have to hard-fork it here on, or Gold+ partner with Elastic.co to sell Elasticsearch Service under the relatively more permissive Elastic License.

confiq 6y ago
what do you mean by "hard-fork" ? I thought that open distro is "hard-fork" but licence stayed apache https://github.com/opendistro-for-elasticsearch/ https://github.com/opendistro-for-elasticsearch/
- Xylakant 6y ago
  Opendistro is primarily a set of plugins for the stock APL ES distribution, not a fork of elasticsearch proper.
  - confiq 6y ago
    I've just checked, you are right! Correct me if I'm wrong, AWS ES service still uses ES free licence but they've re-written the plugins so they won't use ES and pay ES fee? With new licence, AWS won't be able to use ES as SaaS?
    - ignoramous 6y ago
      As things stand: Yes, to both your questions.
      - confiq 6y ago
        there is this twitter user that claims that non-elastic employees can't contribute[1]. I wish somebody could summarise this romance between AWS vs Elastic for simpler people because I can't catch up :( [1] https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349939801445658624 https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349939801445658624
        _msw_ 6y ago
        I didn't say that non-Elastic employees could not contribute. I said that they cannot become maintainers. Non-elastic pull requests are merged, as I mentioned in [1]. [1] https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349814591501475840 https://twitter.com/_msw_/status/1349814591501475840