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There were 30 riots declared by police in Portland alone between May and November (and many more since then). They have a detailed breakdown of riots, fires, p

There were 30 riots declared by police in Portland alone between May and November (and many more since then). They have a detailed breakdown of riots, fires, projectiles thrown , arrests, ect. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/765145 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/765145

devindotcom 6y ago
Lot of riots got "declared" here in Seattle too, usually after the cops rushed a stationary peaceful group, and many breakdowns of projectiles and aggression by protestors were publicized by police. But a huge amount of it turned out to be fabricated, exaggerated, or embellished.
- j_walter 6y ago
  These were not fabricated events in Portland. In fact the mayor restricted what the police could do and how far things had to escalate before the police could do anything. Lasers, fireworks, fires, bricks...not much was off limits to the rioters every single night for months. You can claim the group was stationary and peaceful...but there were agitators mixed in and causing problems. There are tons of videos showing the violent tactics being used by rioters...but usually the only ones to make the MSM are when the police responded. Antifa...yes they exist...were well organized and restricted journalists from documenting everything unless they wanted them to. Even the local news reporters were harassed and assaulted by them.
  - Forbo 6y ago
    There were also instances found where the agitators turned out to be agents provocateurs.
    - dev_by_day 6y ago
      Source? I have not seen any confirmed incidents of agent provocateurs. The news would have went batshit crazy if such a thing was actually confirmed.
      - j_walter 6y ago
        A crazy city council member claimed fires were started by cops in Portland...without evidence and despite contrary evidence showing them being started by the protestors/rioters.
      - Forbo 6y ago
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-minneapolis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-ma... This is probably the most popular example, but there's plenty of YouTube videos showing people popping up at places to tear down window barricades, smash them and run. They aren't there to protest. They're there to stir shit up and exploit human psychology.
CydeWeys 6y ago
You see the bias inherent in trusting the police on this issue though, right? It's in their best interests to declare any protest against them a riot because it excuses more violent actions on their parts.
- StanislavPetrov 6y ago
  There were more than 120 days of protests detailed in the above link, only about 25% of which were classified as riots. There were live streams from these protests and riots every night, many of which include numerous incidents of explosives being hurled at police and fired being lit. Its not an issue of trust - the hundreds of archived videos containing thousands of hours of live footage of these many protests and riots is easily available to anyone who wants to examine the proof with their own eyes. This isn't an issue of ideology, its a matter of documented history and objective reality. One can argue about whether the riots were justified or not, but not over whether they happened - they did.

devindotcom 6y ago

Lot of riots got "declared" here in Seattle too, usually after the cops rushed a stationary peaceful group, and many breakdowns of projectiles and aggression by protestors were publicized by police. But a huge amount of it turned out to be fabricated, exaggerated, or embellished.

j_walter 6y ago
These were not fabricated events in Portland. In fact the mayor restricted what the police could do and how far things had to escalate before the police could do anything. Lasers, fireworks, fires, bricks...not much was off limits to the rioters every single night for months. You can claim the group was stationary and peaceful...but there were agitators mixed in and causing problems. There are tons of videos showing the violent tactics being used by rioters...but usually the only ones to make the MSM are when the police responded. Antifa...yes they exist...were well organized and restricted journalists from documenting everything unless they wanted them to. Even the local news reporters were harassed and assaulted by them.
- Forbo 6y ago
  There were also instances found where the agitators turned out to be agents provocateurs.
  - dev_by_day 6y ago
    Source? I have not seen any confirmed incidents of agent provocateurs. The news would have went batshit crazy if such a thing was actually confirmed.
    - j_walter 6y ago
      A crazy city council member claimed fires were started by cops in Portland...without evidence and despite contrary evidence showing them being started by the protestors/rioters.
    - Forbo 6y ago
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-minneapolis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-ma... This is probably the most popular example, but there's plenty of YouTube videos showing people popping up at places to tear down window barricades, smash them and run. They aren't there to protest. They're there to stir shit up and exploit human psychology.

CydeWeys 6y ago

You see the bias inherent in trusting the police on this issue though, right? It's in their best interests to declare any protest against them a riot because it excuses more violent actions on their parts.

StanislavPetrov 6y ago
There were more than 120 days of protests detailed in the above link, only about 25% of which were classified as riots. There were live streams from these protests and riots every night, many of which include numerous incidents of explosives being hurled at police and fired being lit. Its not an issue of trust - the hundreds of archived videos containing thousands of hours of live footage of these many protests and riots is easily available to anyone who wants to examine the proof with their own eyes. This isn't an issue of ideology, its a matter of documented history and objective reality. One can argue about whether the riots were justified or not, but not over whether they happened - they did.