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Thanks for replying. Your perspective looks entirely alien to me, but I respect it and appreciate the opportunity to understand. If I may use an analogy. Suppo

by DenisM 6y ago

Thanks for replying. Your perspective looks entirely alien to me, but I respect it and appreciate the opportunity to understand. If I may use an analogy. Suppose four major airlines refused to carry one political group. Your logic then would suggest they are no worse off since they can as well drive or take a bus to get places, so there is nothing to worry about. Is that right?

eightysixfour 6y ago
> If I may use an analogy. Suppose four major airlines refused to carry one political group. Your logic then would suggest they are no worse off since they can as well drive or take a bus to get places, so there is nothing to worry about. Is that right? I mean this just happened. Many of the airlines wouldn't allow those involved in the attack on the Capitol on their flights back to wherever they came from. And no, I don't have a problem with this. Either the other airlines will fly those people or no one will and they will have to travel via alternative means. I would have a problem if the government told airlines that passengers, as a result of only their political group, were not allowed to fly. I would also say that I am more hesitant to agree in the case of this analogy about being "deplatformed" by all of the airlines than I am by social media or hosting providers (cloud or not) since airlines are a heavily regulated industry with a very deep, government-backed moat. > they are no worse off I'd like to clarify that I don't think they're no worse off, but I also don't believe we have a fundamental right to be served by a company unless they are a utility that has a government backed monopoly or quasi-monopoly (or you are not being served as a result of your membership in a protected class). That's why I feel confident in being pro-net neutrality for ISPs, anti-forced hosting for hosting providers, and lean towards treating DNS like an ISP. I'm also pro-federated services for these reasons, because I believe platforms should have control over their platforms, and I believe we the people should have more diverse platforms and more control over the ones we use. A lot of my beliefs about this probably stem from being a moderator on a decently large online community about 15 years ago as well as working in the hosting industry for a short stint.

by DenisM 6y ago

eightysixfour 6y ago

> If I may use an analogy. Suppose four major airlines refused to carry one political group. Your logic then would suggest they are no worse off since they can as well drive or take a bus to get places, so there is nothing to worry about. Is that right? I mean this just happened. Many of the airlines wouldn't allow those involved in the attack on the Capitol on their flights back to wherever they came from. And no, I don't have a problem with this. Either the other airlines will fly those people or no one will and they will have to travel via alternative means. I would have a problem if the government told airlines that passengers, as a result of only their political group, were not allowed to fly. I would also say that I am more hesitant to agree in the case of this analogy about being "deplatformed" by all of the airlines than I am by social media or hosting providers (cloud or not) since airlines are a heavily regulated industry with a very deep, government-backed moat. > they are no worse off I'd like to clarify that I don't think they're no worse off, but I also don't believe we have a fundamental right to be served by a company unless they are a utility that has a government backed monopoly or quasi-monopoly (or you are not being served as a result of your membership in a protected class). That's why I feel confident in being pro-net neutrality for ISPs, anti-forced hosting for hosting providers, and lean towards treating DNS like an ISP. I'm also pro-federated services for these reasons, because I believe platforms should have control over their platforms, and I believe we the people should have more diverse platforms and more control over the ones we use. A lot of my beliefs about this probably stem from being a moderator on a decently large online community about 15 years ago as well as working in the hosting industry for a short stint.