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I find this worldview really funny. How would you increase estrogen?

by klmadfejno 6y ago

itsyaboi 6y ago
What about it amuses you?
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  It's conflating traditional gender norms, social masculinity, and physical traits like testosterone, then bundling everything into you gotta act like X to acquire Y, because that's how muscles work. Rugged man living off the woods in Alaska feels like a tropey barbarian. If his logic is to believed, there should be equal methods to raise hormone levels for estrogen. I'm curious what he would propose. Living in the wilderness is probably hard work, but I might bet more on the guy who plays team sports on weekends, eats healthy meals, and tries to get laid in a civil society. People had meek cousins at all times of history.
  - danbolt 6y ago
    I think the reference to Sparta in the parent comment is the icing on the cake.
dukeofdoom 6y ago
I don't know how to increase estrogen levels in normal weight women. But you can definitely lower estrogen levels, by dropping below a certain body fat percentage. In fact, at some point, a women will lose her cycle if she's too skinny and wont be able to get pregnant. My ex girlfriend had six pack abs, was a very fit person. Probably top 1% of all women. I suspect that my girlfriend was able to achieve her six pack abs for 3 reasons. Had a meat/low sugar/low carb diet, and did a lot of swimming. But I suspect, the biggest reason was that she probably had higher than average testosterone levels for a woman. That also had the knock on effect of her liking exercise more.
- klmadfejno 6y ago
  So the woman who exercises a lot probably does so because she has high testosterone, But the man who has low testosterone probably does so because of social norms? The chicken and egg appears to reverse in your reasoning here
  - dukeofdoom 6y ago
    You make a good point. I think of these more like a feed back loop. One can affect the other. You can spiral up, or spiral down. Some people might be genetically predisposed to become Alcoholics. Once you start drinking more, it will make you more of an alcoholic. Drinking less, will make you less of an alcoholic. Social pressure might help you drink less, or drink more. Its not inconsistent.
datsun510 6y ago
Why in the world would you want to do that? Have you bought into the false notion that estrogen is merely the "female" hormone, simply because it is produced in the ovaries, without critically wondering if there are other hormones involved? If it weren't for progesterone, women would die from their own estrogen, probably as a result of metastatic hyperplasia. Is it still just the female hormone in your mind? Are you even aware why you have this false dichotomy stuck somewhere in your brain?

I find this worldview really funny. How would you increase estrogen?

itsyaboi 6y ago

What about it amuses you?

klmadfejno 6y ago
It's conflating traditional gender norms, social masculinity, and physical traits like testosterone, then bundling everything into you gotta act like X to acquire Y, because that's how muscles work. Rugged man living off the woods in Alaska feels like a tropey barbarian. If his logic is to believed, there should be equal methods to raise hormone levels for estrogen. I'm curious what he would propose. Living in the wilderness is probably hard work, but I might bet more on the guy who plays team sports on weekends, eats healthy meals, and tries to get laid in a civil society. People had meek cousins at all times of history.
- danbolt 6y ago
  I think the reference to Sparta in the parent comment is the icing on the cake.

dukeofdoom 6y ago

I don't know how to increase estrogen levels in normal weight women. But you can definitely lower estrogen levels, by dropping below a certain body fat percentage. In fact, at some point, a women will lose her cycle if she's too skinny and wont be able to get pregnant. My ex girlfriend had six pack abs, was a very fit person. Probably top 1% of all women. I suspect that my girlfriend was able to achieve her six pack abs for 3 reasons. Had a meat/low sugar/low carb diet, and did a lot of swimming. But I suspect, the biggest reason was that she probably had higher than average testosterone levels for a woman. That also had the knock on effect of her liking exercise more.

klmadfejno 6y ago
So the woman who exercises a lot probably does so because she has high testosterone, But the man who has low testosterone probably does so because of social norms? The chicken and egg appears to reverse in your reasoning here
- dukeofdoom 6y ago
  You make a good point. I think of these more like a feed back loop. One can affect the other. You can spiral up, or spiral down. Some people might be genetically predisposed to become Alcoholics. Once you start drinking more, it will make you more of an alcoholic. Drinking less, will make you less of an alcoholic. Social pressure might help you drink less, or drink more. Its not inconsistent.

datsun510 6y ago

Why in the world would you want to do that? Have you bought into the false notion that estrogen is merely the "female" hormone, simply because it is produced in the ovaries, without critically wondering if there are other hormones involved? If it weren't for progesterone, women would die from their own estrogen, probably as a result of metastatic hyperplasia. Is it still just the female hormone in your mind? Are you even aware why you have this false dichotomy stuck somewhere in your brain?