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Yes, you can buy AR15s and other semiautomatic rifles in Portugal. Most of Europe allows sports shooting, for example (from the top of my hear what I know for

Yes, you can buy AR15s and other semiautomatic rifles in Portugal. Most of Europe allows sports shooting, for example (from the top of my hear what I know for sure): Finland Sweden Norway Estonia Czech Republic Poland Germany France Italy Switzerland Austria Spain And I haven't even put research into the rest of the countries

libertine 6y ago
You can not buy semiautomatic rifles in Portugal, even if you are a collector I think but for that you might need to have some sort of special requirement. These are the types of licences we have: http://armas.mai-gov.info/obtencao-de-licencas/ http://armas.mai-gov.info/obtencao-de-licencas/ Now you can buy weapons of the same caliber, for hunting (but you need hunting licensing). Edit: Ok I need to clarify this. Because we have a different name for specific weapons. Here we can sell semiautomatic rifles (we call them "carabinas", I didn't label them as rifles so my bad), for hunting (a specific class, for boars, deer, etc). The thing is every weapon that's imported in Portugal gets and inspection and a classification if it's a military weapon or not. An AR15 is considered a military grade weapon by our government standards. So yes, you can buy some specific models of semiautomatic rifles (for hunting), but you can't buy military grade semiautomatic rifles. You can't buy an AR15.
- jakearmitage 6y ago
  I know the argument here has been towards being able to buy or not a specific platform (AR-15), but I would like to address this: > So yes, you can buy some specific models of semiautomatic rifles (for hunting), but you can't buy military grade semiautomatic rifles The semi-automatic rifles that you can buy in Portugal include the Remington 700 and the Thompson Performance Center T/C. Both can come chambered in .308 Win or 6.5 Creedmoor. Those cartridges have an immense stopping power and are significantly more powerful than the usual .223/5.56 you see in the AR-15 platform. Looking at hunting stores from Portugal, you can easily see those two rifles with 5 or 10 round magazines, same limits as the AR-15 in California. The Remington 700 has been widely used by the military all over the world, including the US. The M24 sniper rifle is the Remington 700, but with a heavier barrel (in order to use .300 Win which the US Marine Corps preferred). So, why is in your opinion the AR-15 platform "military grade", and the hunting rifles available in Portugal not? Knowing that both platforms have been used by the military in combat situations, and knowing the hunting platforms usually have much more powerful cartridges?
  - libertine 6y ago
    >So, why is in your opinion the AR-15 platform "military grade", and the hunting rifles available in Portugal not? Knowing that both platforms have been used by the military in combat situations, and knowing the hunting platforms usually have much more powerful cartridges? This is a question you'd need to ask to the portuguese authority that manages weapons importation at the customs, which curiously, it's a procedure that must be done in the presence of a customs oficial, an expert of the Police (PSP), and the General Management of Weaponry and Defense Equipment (Direcção-Geral de Armamento e Equipamento de Defesa). So I think it's their opinion and expertise that dictates such decisions? No idea! But I don't see it written anywhere that such specific weapon/platform is banned/forbidden. Curious fact, just came across this information, apparently not so long ago civilians could buy fully automatic rifles in Portugal , you just had to belong to a "club"! It was one of the few countries that allowed that, like Pakistan an Yemen - I had no ideia just found this out. Law changed from pressure of EU and UN.
    - jakearmitage 6y ago
      Gun clubs are popular in Europe. In France, until very recently (2017), you could buy an MG42 or a Browning M2. If you bought it before that date, you can still have it, but now full auto is no longer allowed. There are no restrictions on platforms or types of weapons, only on caliber. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contr%C3%B4le_des_armes_%C3%A0_feu_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contr%C3%B4le_des_armes_%C3%A0... In Switzerland, on the other hand, you can have full auto. Europe is not a gun-free zone like Americans seem to think, from both sides of the aisle.
      - libertine 6y ago
        But the stance is quite different, owning a gun is not a right but more like a privilege. And they're not objects for public display.
        jakearmitage 6y ago
        Correct on the right/privilege. It is similar to the concept/laws concerning owning a car and driving. If that is a good thing or not, it is up for a different discussion, which I can't participate since I fully agree with you on this point. But on the "objects for public display", I sense some hostility towards guns and gun culture in general. Maybe that's your personal perspective being projected onto the whole? My brother in law is from France and he is a huge gun nerd. His weapons were "objects for public display" just like any other weapon in a gun store in America, but I really miss the point here. Do you feel comfortable around guns? Have you ever experienced a shooting sport? You should definitely try, it is super fun, specially when you have knowledgeable people around. And gun clubs in Europe are super welcoming to new members.
- emilfihlman 6y ago
  http://www.soldiers-almada.com/Armas http://www.soldiers-almada.com/Armas Seems to be selling AR15s just fine. And "military grade ar15" is not a thing.
  - libertine 6y ago
    Just because they sell it, doesn't mean everyone can buy them: you have difference licences for different uses. And not all licenses are available to everyone. Some licenses are strictly for law enforcement for example. I didn't say military grade ar15 is thing, i said our authorities can consider that a weapon is for military use. It's their call, not mine, or yours.
    - emilfihlman 6y ago
      That's completely besides the point. One _can_ buy AR15s in Portugal. Yes it takes jumping through hoops, but it's entirely possible. If you don't mean what you say then don't say it.
      - libertine 6y ago
        Ah so after all you have to do things to circumvent some obstacles set in place. What are those? I didn't say i didn't meant to say, I'm saying what's in our law.

libertine 6y ago

You can not buy semiautomatic rifles in Portugal, even if you are a collector I think but for that you might need to have some sort of special requirement. These are the types of licences we have: http://armas.mai-gov.info/obtencao-de-licencas/ http://armas.mai-gov.info/obtencao-de-licencas/ Now you can buy weapons of the same caliber, for hunting (but you need hunting licensing). Edit: Ok I need to clarify this. Because we have a different name for specific weapons. Here we can sell semiautomatic rifles (we call them "carabinas", I didn't label them as rifles so my bad), for hunting (a specific class, for boars, deer, etc). The thing is every weapon that's imported in Portugal gets and inspection and a classification if it's a military weapon or not. An AR15 is considered a military grade weapon by our government standards. So yes, you can buy some specific models of semiautomatic rifles (for hunting), but you can't buy military grade semiautomatic rifles. You can't buy an AR15.

jakearmitage 6y ago
I know the argument here has been towards being able to buy or not a specific platform (AR-15), but I would like to address this: > So yes, you can buy some specific models of semiautomatic rifles (for hunting), but you can't buy military grade semiautomatic rifles The semi-automatic rifles that you can buy in Portugal include the Remington 700 and the Thompson Performance Center T/C. Both can come chambered in .308 Win or 6.5 Creedmoor. Those cartridges have an immense stopping power and are significantly more powerful than the usual .223/5.56 you see in the AR-15 platform. Looking at hunting stores from Portugal, you can easily see those two rifles with 5 or 10 round magazines, same limits as the AR-15 in California. The Remington 700 has been widely used by the military all over the world, including the US. The M24 sniper rifle is the Remington 700, but with a heavier barrel (in order to use .300 Win which the US Marine Corps preferred). So, why is in your opinion the AR-15 platform "military grade", and the hunting rifles available in Portugal not? Knowing that both platforms have been used by the military in combat situations, and knowing the hunting platforms usually have much more powerful cartridges?
- libertine 6y ago
  >So, why is in your opinion the AR-15 platform "military grade", and the hunting rifles available in Portugal not? Knowing that both platforms have been used by the military in combat situations, and knowing the hunting platforms usually have much more powerful cartridges? This is a question you'd need to ask to the portuguese authority that manages weapons importation at the customs, which curiously, it's a procedure that must be done in the presence of a customs oficial, an expert of the Police (PSP), and the General Management of Weaponry and Defense Equipment (Direcção-Geral de Armamento e Equipamento de Defesa). So I think it's their opinion and expertise that dictates such decisions? No idea! But I don't see it written anywhere that such specific weapon/platform is banned/forbidden. Curious fact, just came across this information, apparently not so long ago civilians could buy fully automatic rifles in Portugal , you just had to belong to a "club"! It was one of the few countries that allowed that, like Pakistan an Yemen - I had no ideia just found this out. Law changed from pressure of EU and UN.
  - jakearmitage 6y ago
    Gun clubs are popular in Europe. In France, until very recently (2017), you could buy an MG42 or a Browning M2. If you bought it before that date, you can still have it, but now full auto is no longer allowed. There are no restrictions on platforms or types of weapons, only on caliber. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contr%C3%B4le_des_armes_%C3%A0_feu_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contr%C3%B4le_des_armes_%C3%A0... In Switzerland, on the other hand, you can have full auto. Europe is not a gun-free zone like Americans seem to think, from both sides of the aisle.
    - libertine 6y ago
      But the stance is quite different, owning a gun is not a right but more like a privilege. And they're not objects for public display.
      - jakearmitage 6y ago
        Correct on the right/privilege. It is similar to the concept/laws concerning owning a car and driving. If that is a good thing or not, it is up for a different discussion, which I can't participate since I fully agree with you on this point. But on the "objects for public display", I sense some hostility towards guns and gun culture in general. Maybe that's your personal perspective being projected onto the whole? My brother in law is from France and he is a huge gun nerd. His weapons were "objects for public display" just like any other weapon in a gun store in America, but I really miss the point here. Do you feel comfortable around guns? Have you ever experienced a shooting sport? You should definitely try, it is super fun, specially when you have knowledgeable people around. And gun clubs in Europe are super welcoming to new members.
emilfihlman 6y ago
http://www.soldiers-almada.com/Armas http://www.soldiers-almada.com/Armas Seems to be selling AR15s just fine. And "military grade ar15" is not a thing.
- libertine 6y ago
  Just because they sell it, doesn't mean everyone can buy them: you have difference licences for different uses. And not all licenses are available to everyone. Some licenses are strictly for law enforcement for example. I didn't say military grade ar15 is thing, i said our authorities can consider that a weapon is for military use. It's their call, not mine, or yours.
  - emilfihlman 6y ago
    That's completely besides the point. One _can_ buy AR15s in Portugal. Yes it takes jumping through hoops, but it's entirely possible. If you don't mean what you say then don't say it.
    - libertine 6y ago
      Ah so after all you have to do things to circumvent some obstacles set in place. What are those? I didn't say i didn't meant to say, I'm saying what's in our law.