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It's good this is getting attention. While there maybe encryption in transit of messages, the encryption of messages at test is effectively defeated when the m
by j45 6y ago
It's good this is getting attention.
While there maybe encryption in transit of messages, the encryption of messages at test is effectively defeated when the messages are at rest in icloud.
I am curious, is it possible to do an icloud equivalent backup without using icloud? Perhaps with a different backup app, nas, etc?
- whatever1 6y agoThe worst part is that there is nothing you can do if the person you are texting has enabled iCloud backups. There is also no notification when you start the conversation that it is not e2e protected anymore.
- Ashanmaril 6y agoIt would be nice to have some indication as to whether or not the other person has backups enabled, but the issue is it wouldn't be a with-certainty indicator that your conversation won't be backed up since the other person could have it disabled but then turn on backups later. Ideally it would be nice if you could opt yourself out of having any conversations backed up, but I'm sure to Apple the privacy benefits doesn't outweigh the amount of customer support hours that would be wasted explaining to people why some of their conversations aren't transferring to their new iPhone.
- itsdrewmiller 6y agoYou can't control what the other side of messaging does with your messages in almost any circumstance, no?
- j45 6y agoThe question may be valid at the household level.. If significant other and kids handled it the same way.
- whatever1 6y agoE2E means that I need to trust exactly one person / device, the receiver. With iCloud backups, I also need to trust an intermediary, Apple. That is a dealbreaker. They may as well remove encryption completely at rest.
- gruez 6y ago>I am curious, is it possible to do an icloud equivalent backup without using icloud? Perhaps with a different backup app, nas, etc? itunes.
- joosters 6y agoLocal backups can be completely encrypted (used to be done by iTunes, don't know if they've changed that now though?) ISTR that local backups would contain more than the icloud backups as well - there are some things that won't be backed up into the cloud?
- gumby 6y agoyes, you can backup to a Mac or Windows machine using a cable.