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This post like this that remind me the people seriously believe there aren’t just the same number of crazies on the right and left. That “your side“ has all of

This post like this that remind me the people seriously believe there aren’t just the same number of crazies on the right and left. That “your side“ has all of the “reasonable people” and is “morally right”, what an amazing coincidence. You only want one side to have to “own“ their crazies. That isn’t how it works. Neither side should be thought of or represented by their “crazies”, that isn’t anywhere near good faith.

rsynnott 6y ago
I mean, currently one 'side' is lead by a guy who's still in complete denial that he lost the election, against all available evidence, so this may not be as 'both-sides'-y as you seem to believe.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  That just means that one side has a crazy who is currently in power. It doesn't mean that the other side doesn't have just as much crazy.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Sure. But that’s a pretty weird digression when we’re talking about one specific group of crazies that just attempted an insurrection and got 5 people killed in the Capitol. When the crazies on the left do something crazy, we can talk about them. But in this context bringing up such a “both sides” argument smacks of whataboutism.
    - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
      > when we’re talking about one specific group of crazies that just attempted an insurrection and got 5 people killed in the Capitol. Thats only because you are choosing to talk about that exclusively. You aren’t taking into account the violence and destruction about BLM. I mean, a known BLM voice/advocate went and murdered 5 cops, and not one bit of that blew back at BLM the Org, because no one forced them to own their crazies. None of the destruction, murder and lawlessness over the summer blew back on BLM, Dems, Antifa. It’s not whataboutism when it’s similar events. A whataboutism would be if someone said “the left doesn’t need to own their crazies because Obama faced criticism for Benghazi”.
ashtonkem 6y ago
Please point to the sentence where I made any of those claims.
hdhsh8263 6y ago
The 9/11 truthers were left wingers. The Bernie Bros seem pretty cult-like. Obama certainly had a bit of a cult-of-personality around him at the beginning of his first term. The difference is that on the right the inmates are currently running the asylum, and a significant portion of the right wing media / messaging apparatus has been pushing this stuff.
carapace 6y ago
Well, FWIW, I grew up in SF and I'm mostly Left-leaning (although I would have voted for Mitt Romney rather than Biden if that had been an option) and I'll go ahead and "own" our crazies. I've met a few Left-wing nut jobs here over the years. I once attended a Communist rally by accident (I had a crush on the math teacher's daughter, no one told me the overnight field trip was to a Commie rally until we were already on the freeway.) Even as a kid I could tell that they were just a pathetic "religion"-without-God, I would say the lot of them (American Communists) are card-carrying loonies. But (and you can see it coming can't you?) But they never stormed the capitol. Two questions for you: 1) What were they trying to do? (If they are not weird cultists?) 2) Can you think of a group on the Left like Qanon on the Right? I'm sincere, I'm not trying to troll you or talk shit. What do you think?

rsynnott 6y ago

I mean, currently one 'side' is lead by a guy who's still in complete denial that he lost the election, against all available evidence, so this may not be as 'both-sides'-y as you seem to believe.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
That just means that one side has a crazy who is currently in power. It doesn't mean that the other side doesn't have just as much crazy.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Sure. But that’s a pretty weird digression when we’re talking about one specific group of crazies that just attempted an insurrection and got 5 people killed in the Capitol. When the crazies on the left do something crazy, we can talk about them. But in this context bringing up such a “both sides” argument smacks of whataboutism.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    > when we’re talking about one specific group of crazies that just attempted an insurrection and got 5 people killed in the Capitol. Thats only because you are choosing to talk about that exclusively. You aren’t taking into account the violence and destruction about BLM. I mean, a known BLM voice/advocate went and murdered 5 cops, and not one bit of that blew back at BLM the Org, because no one forced them to own their crazies. None of the destruction, murder and lawlessness over the summer blew back on BLM, Dems, Antifa. It’s not whataboutism when it’s similar events. A whataboutism would be if someone said “the left doesn’t need to own their crazies because Obama faced criticism for Benghazi”.

ashtonkem 6y ago

Please point to the sentence where I made any of those claims.

hdhsh8263 6y ago

The 9/11 truthers were left wingers. The Bernie Bros seem pretty cult-like. Obama certainly had a bit of a cult-of-personality around him at the beginning of his first term. The difference is that on the right the inmates are currently running the asylum, and a significant portion of the right wing media / messaging apparatus has been pushing this stuff.

carapace 6y ago

Well, FWIW, I grew up in SF and I'm mostly Left-leaning (although I would have voted for Mitt Romney rather than Biden if that had been an option) and I'll go ahead and "own" our crazies. I've met a few Left-wing nut jobs here over the years. I once attended a Communist rally by accident (I had a crush on the math teacher's daughter, no one told me the overnight field trip was to a Commie rally until we were already on the freeway.) Even as a kid I could tell that they were just a pathetic "religion"-without-God, I would say the lot of them (American Communists) are card-carrying loonies. But (and you can see it coming can't you?) But they never stormed the capitol. Two questions for you: 1) What were they trying to do? (If they are not weird cultists?) 2) Can you think of a group on the Left like Qanon on the Right? I'm sincere, I'm not trying to troll you or talk shit. What do you think?