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"I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass" This is how it always turns out: Orwell

"I know many will think I'm defending Parler, I'm not. I just don't see why Facebook is continuously given a free pass" This is how it always turns out: Orwellian 'At the end of Animal Farm, the pigs start to walk on their hind legs. This is significant because the animals have gone from saying "Four legs good, two legs bad" to the chant "Four legs good, two legs BETTER." Napoleon begins carrying a whip, and soon all the supervisor pigs are carrying whips. Napoleon also is seen with a pipe in his mouth. The pigs literally wear the clothes straight from Mr. Jones's closet'

earthscienceman 6y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/orwell-1984-conservatives/2021/01/11/e80ce30e-5446-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/orwell-19... https://forward.com/culture/461861/no-the-trump-twitter-ban-isnt-orwellian-stop-saying-it-is/ https://forward.com/culture/461861/no-the-trump-twitter-ban-... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/books/orwellian-1984.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/books/orwellian-1984.html
- waheoo 6y ago
  Two paywalls and an article that describes people as seditious with zero context or point of reference. Do you have an actual point?
- cbozeman 6y ago
  This is fucking fantastic... its truly Orwellian to gaslight people into thinking they're using "Orwellian" incorrectly. When what all these people really mean, but obviously can't say, is, "We didn't think we would become the Orwellian overlords!" Chomsky said it best, “Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.” Right now, there's an enormous liberal bias in Silicon Valley. The founders of these companies are more libertarian - some are even conservative, but their employees by-and-large are anywhere from left-leaning to far-left. That's fine. I don't see anything wrong with that. The resultant problem is with the helicopter parenting generation that produced these people, and their inability to accept things that make them uncomfortable. But... its okay, because like all complex systems, it trends toward equilibrium, and now you're starting to see the system self-correct.
  - Bakary 6y ago
    I think the term Orwellian should be used carefully not because of a strategy to censor people but because it tends to accompany and be a symptom of sloppy, armchair thinking that leads to fruitless fights on social media. (similar to Godwin's law)
    - ransom1538 6y ago
      "because it tends to accompany and be a symptom of sloppy, armchair thinking that leads to fruitless fights on social media" Exactly we need an elite social group to determine what is Orwellian.
      - Bakary 6y ago
        That's not the point I'm making. I'm saying that as an individual it's a probably a good idea to avoid constructing arguments out of prepackaged notions. Whatever "elites" do isn't the factor I am considering here, especially not NY Times pundits or their equivalent. YMMV
- ransom1538 6y ago
  We need to ban posts with Orwellian in the text!! Because we are not Orwellian!! irony crystalized.

earthscienceman 6y ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/orwell-1984-conservatives/2021/01/11/e80ce30e-5446-11eb-a931-5b162d0d033d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/orwell-19... https://forward.com/culture/461861/no-the-trump-twitter-ban-isnt-orwellian-stop-saying-it-is/ https://forward.com/culture/461861/no-the-trump-twitter-ban-... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/books/orwellian-1984.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/books/orwellian-1984.html

waheoo 6y ago
Two paywalls and an article that describes people as seditious with zero context or point of reference. Do you have an actual point?
cbozeman 6y ago
This is fucking fantastic... its truly Orwellian to gaslight people into thinking they're using "Orwellian" incorrectly. When what all these people really mean, but obviously can't say, is, "We didn't think we would become the Orwellian overlords!" Chomsky said it best, “Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.” Right now, there's an enormous liberal bias in Silicon Valley. The founders of these companies are more libertarian - some are even conservative, but their employees by-and-large are anywhere from left-leaning to far-left. That's fine. I don't see anything wrong with that. The resultant problem is with the helicopter parenting generation that produced these people, and their inability to accept things that make them uncomfortable. But... its okay, because like all complex systems, it trends toward equilibrium, and now you're starting to see the system self-correct.
- Bakary 6y ago
  I think the term Orwellian should be used carefully not because of a strategy to censor people but because it tends to accompany and be a symptom of sloppy, armchair thinking that leads to fruitless fights on social media. (similar to Godwin's law)
  - ransom1538 6y ago
    "because it tends to accompany and be a symptom of sloppy, armchair thinking that leads to fruitless fights on social media" Exactly we need an elite social group to determine what is Orwellian.
    - Bakary 6y ago
      That's not the point I'm making. I'm saying that as an individual it's a probably a good idea to avoid constructing arguments out of prepackaged notions. Whatever "elites" do isn't the factor I am considering here, especially not NY Times pundits or their equivalent. YMMV
ransom1538 6y ago
We need to ban posts with Orwellian in the text!! Because we are not Orwellian!! irony crystalized.