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The problem is obviously that people very often do not want what they say they want. When a man says he supports freedom of speech, he isn't thinking about the
by Blikkentrekker 6y ago
The problem is obviously that people very often do not want what they say they want.
When a man says he supports freedom of speech, he isn't thinking about the speech that he wishes to limit as he finds it so abhorrent, and where that line lies differs from one man to the other.
Such initiatives fail, as even when men come together and admit they allow for the most abhorrent of opinions to be censored, they seldom realize that each and every one of them has a very different idea of what that is.
- enumjorge 6y agoCase in point, alt-right communities who champion “free speech” like Parler and in Reddit often ban people who express opinions they disagree with.
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoI was honestly more so thinking about holocaust denial which some consider to abhorrent but others within the line of acceptability. As in, the things that, some wish, were banned by law. I don't think many of the reddit moderators so notorious for wanting an echo chamber would advocate it be criminally illegal.
- Mindwipe 6y agoIndeed, Parler banned lots of speech. Especially breasts.
- youdontlisten 6y agoCase in point, alt-left communities who champion "free speech" like Hacker News often shadowban people who express opinions they disagree with, especially if it's said in the wrong 'tone' of voice--direct aggression rather than passive aggressiveness, which is the preferred atmosphere here.
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoI'm always suspicious when specifically “left” or “right” or any other specific political colors are mentioned as such with regards to censorship — it reeks of not being objective. It is a problem of all mankind, not any particular political color; the only color above it are of course specifically the free speech advocates.
- shuntress 6y agoDo women have this problem as well?
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoI'm sure you understand both how subsets work and what I intended to convey, no matter how much you dislike how the English language descriptively works.
- shuntress 6y agoDo you mean to convey that women are a subset of men and therefor since your statement applies to all men that it also applies to all women?
- Blikkentrekker 6y agoThat is the usage of the word “man”, so noted in every dictionary, and backed up by millennia of descriptive usage. I'm quite sure you know that too, to be honest. It is something that every English speaker knows, but some act as if they not, because they do not like the actual descriptive, and historical usage of that word. From Merriam-Webster: (1): an individual human especially : an adult male human https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/man https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/man
- shuntress 6y agoI do not see it that way. But, fair enough. If it has always been that way we should keep it that way.
- skinkestek 6y agoIIRC and AFAIK it comes from old norse, madr which used to mean human. They had separate words for female madr and male madr. Lately it has been a popular conspiracy that this is because "patriarchy" but the real reason is probably as mundane as simplifications over centuries.