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I think I agree with "I honestly think it is amazing". I'm nearing middle-age and I rarely thought about gender issues and, in my twenties if I was asked to sta
by proactivesvcs 6y ago
I think I agree with "I honestly think it is amazing". I'm nearing middle-age and I rarely thought about gender issues and, in my twenties if I was asked to start a conversation about them, I wouldn't have even thought to talk about gender identity.
But identity is fundamentally important. If someone chooses a mean-spirited nickname for you, and refuses to use your actual name, it's not a pleasant experience. Yes, I know, "man up", but if that person is in your workplace and you are there for years and years, it wears you down. If others then join in, even thinking it's a bit of fun, then that would make me pretty miserable at work. It sure did when I was a child.
The reason you and I are amazed is because a swathe of the population have been forced to live as a lie, as someone they're not and most of them for their entire lives. They've married and had children and died of old age and maybe one or two people really knew that it was all a lie they had to project because showing their true nature would have them stoned to death. Yes, an extreme example. But let's say they came out in their 30s, they still lived for a substantial time as someone else, because nobody talked about gender identity, how it may change, or not be simple as "her or him".
This is not a conversation you or I had. Not ideas we read about, were exposed to. I am going to assume, in good faith, that you did not suffer any of these issues. I didn't.
It is amazing and I hope that eventually a better normal is reached, whether it's proffering pronouns or not, where people are not abused because of who they are.
I would guess that you may have been amazed to see SpaceX's kit land itself on a floating sea platform. Read that vegetables have been grown in microgravity or that we can now detect gravity waves. They're amazing but they're not hostile towards us, they're just new phenomenons that weren't around when we were kids.
- ecmascript 6y agoI must say that I really enjoyed the comparison with actual scientific and technological progress to identity politics. I don't think pronouns are important. There is a big difference of misusing a pronoun and choosing a mean-spirited nickname for you in my opinion. I read what you wrote, but I just think that if you want to call yourself a yellow penguin that's fine for me but the second you try to force me to buy into the idea that you actually are a yellow penguin that is where I stop being nice and pleasant. I can call you whatever you want if you really want to, but I am not going to buy into your ideas that everyone must out their pronouns in advance because you think you are so special.