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> doesn't mean it was done as a quick and dirty implementation or that it's hastily made feature done via cutting corners. I wasn't implying that. The ContentF

by _qulr 6y ago

> doesn't mean it was done as a quick and dirty implementation or that it's hastily made feature done via cutting corners. I wasn't implying that. The ContentFilterExclusionList was already present in the first WWDC beta and could have been there internally for many months prior, who knows. I was using "hack" more in the sense of bypassing a security system. I said "It never should have existed", which is not a comment on the quality of the design of the thing that did exist. > People forget this is not just a single feature, but part of a change to how network filtering is done (not through a third party kernel extension anymore), accompanied with new APIs. I'm not "people". I'm well aware and haven't forgotten. I've been a professional Mac developer for 15 years. I've used the Network Extension API myself. You may remember me from such news stories as the Mac OCSP appocalypse. https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/15/apple-responds-to-gatekeeper-issue-with-upcoming-fixes/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/15/apple-responds-to-gatekeep... It's incredibly tiresome when HN commenters try to "Macsplain" to me.

coldtea 6y ago
>It's incredibly tiresome when HN commenters try to "Macsplain" to me. Isn't it also tiresome when people on HN assume we know who they are from their handle, or that we are somehow obliged to have followed them outside HN, and remember/know who they are? I might recognize pg, or patio11, or tptacek, and a few more, but not everybody. And most handles, I just glaze over, they are not the important part in the discussion. I'm pretty sure most of us on HN have dozens of HN handles that we don't otherwise know who they are, or even keep tabs on from one HN thread to another. I wouldn't try to "Macpslain" if your comment didn't seem to me to imply that this is just some an isolated thing with ContentFilterExclusionList, that can just be reversed like that, or if it mentioned that this is part of an extensive change to how network filters / kernel extensions work (or rather, don't work anymore) in Big Sur.
- _qulr 6y ago
  > Isn't it also tiresome when people on HN assume we know who they are from their handle No, I don't expect people to know who I am. However, I do expect people to avoid assuming that I'm ignorant of the subject at hand. This ought to be the default approach you have toward anyone. In this same thread, I was referred to as "My sweet summer child", as if I didn't understand software development at all. This shouldn't happen, regardless of whether you know me or not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25771925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25771925

by _qulr 6y ago

coldtea 6y ago

>It's incredibly tiresome when HN commenters try to "Macsplain" to me. Isn't it also tiresome when people on HN assume we know who they are from their handle, or that we are somehow obliged to have followed them outside HN, and remember/know who they are? I might recognize pg, or patio11, or tptacek, and a few more, but not everybody. And most handles, I just glaze over, they are not the important part in the discussion. I'm pretty sure most of us on HN have dozens of HN handles that we don't otherwise know who they are, or even keep tabs on from one HN thread to another. I wouldn't try to "Macpslain" if your comment didn't seem to me to imply that this is just some an isolated thing with ContentFilterExclusionList, that can just be reversed like that, or if it mentioned that this is part of an extensive change to how network filters / kernel extensions work (or rather, don't work anymore) in Big Sur.

_qulr 6y ago
> Isn't it also tiresome when people on HN assume we know who they are from their handle No, I don't expect people to know who I am. However, I do expect people to avoid assuming that I'm ignorant of the subject at hand. This ought to be the default approach you have toward anyone. In this same thread, I was referred to as "My sweet summer child", as if I didn't understand software development at all. This shouldn't happen, regardless of whether you know me or not. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25771925 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25771925